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 Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject: I,VE BEEN WONDERING WHY |
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| it was so important for the obama administration,to bail out the banks and auto industries so quick,pass a stimulus at the time stating it cant wait,try passing healthcare before people had a chance to read it,NOW putting lives on the line by putting the afgan war on the backburner,why is this not a issue that has to be taken care of right now?he snubs his nose at our police who try and do their job,now he snubs his nose at the troops,all while being a so-called hero by the dictators and trouble makers of the world.who,s side is this clown on?if this president is not in it to win,then bring them home.do not put your healthcare deform in front of lives.BB |
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Try not to believe the right wing talking points so much. Today i heard five different Republican politicians all spouting similar rhetoric to what you've posted. If they were so all-fired concerned about addressing other matters then why have they been so obstructionist?
Two points - it was Bush who started the bank bailouts in 2008 and from what i've read Obama is giving attention to Afghanistan. According to reports today our President has been reviewing the latest security assessment from Gen. McChrystal, who is expected to submit a new troop request by the end of this week.
| Quote: | Sept. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Afghanistan’s ambassador to Washington said his country needs “more boots on the ground,” as the U.S. general commanding NATO-led forces in the war prepares to submit a request with a range of troop options.
“Wavering will cause confusion among our allies and partners in Europe and frustration among the Afghan people,” Ambassador Said Jawad said yesterday in an interview. “What we need to hear is for the administration to indicate clearly their commitment to success” in Afghanistan, even if that means sending more troops.
Jawad reflects one side of a debate continuing within the Obama administration and in Congress over whether more troops are necessary to crush al-Qaeda and the Taliban. President Barack Obama is reviewing an assessment of security in Afghanistan from General Stanley McChrystal, his top commander there, and has said in the past week that he wants to “narrow” the mission.
McChrystal, the head of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan, in his assessment recommended a greater emphasis on protecting the civilian population and training a greatly expanded Afghan security force, an approach that would require additional U.S. resources to be done properly.
McChrystal will submit his troop request by the end of the week, Defense Department spokesman Geoff Morrell said yesterday.
“It’s not your typical request for forces,” Morrell told reporters at the Pentagon. “This is a more analytical look at the situation and what’s needed and the risks associated with certain troop levels, and there’s an alternate recommendation.”
McChrystal probably will ask for 25,000 to 35,000 troops, said Senator John McCain of Arizona, the top Republican on the Armed Services Committee, who recently met with the commander in Afghanistan.
Obama authorized 21,000 more troops for combat and training shortly after taking office in January, which will bring the total U.S. force to 68,000 by the end of this year.
In March, Obama set out a goal of dismantling and disrupting al-Qaeda and ensuring it doesn’t find a haven again in Afghanistan or Pakistan, and endorsed the counter-insurgency strategy.
It’s important “that we make sure that the strategy we are pursuing is the correct one and the president and his team are comfortable with it,” Morrell said.
Jawad said he’s concerned about proposals by some U.S. lawmakers to limit the mission in Afghanistan to a remote- controlled, counter- terrorism effort that would rely on weapons such as drones and Tomahawk cruise missiles rather than on-the- ground cooperation between Afghan and international soldiers.
Drone strikes on al-Qaeda bases in Afghanistan that followed the 1998 terror attacks on the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and the 2000 assault on the USS Cole in Yemen “didn’t prevent the terror attack of 9-11,” Jawad said. The air strikes “even consolidated relations between al-Qaeda and the Taliban.”
Stephen Biddle, one of a dozen national security experts who spent a month in Afghanistan helping McChrystal draft his assessment, agreed with Jawad.
It’s “very hard to substitute fire power or remote control for forces on the ground” in fighting a counter-insurgency effectively, said Biddle, a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.
Air strikes against suspected insurgent targets in Afghanistan, which lower the risk for the NATO-led force, have soured Afghan public opinion in recent years as the Taliban seize on civilian casualties for propaganda. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: I,VE BEEN WONDERING WHY |
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| blackballed wrote: | | it was so important for the obama administration,to bail out the banks and auto industries so quick,pass a stimulus at the time stating it cant wait,try passing healthcare before people had a chance to read it,NOW putting lives on the line by putting the afgan war on the backburner,why is this not a issue that has to be taken care of right now?he snubs his nose at our police who try and do their job,now he snubs his nose at the troops,all while being a so-called hero by the dictators and trouble makers of the world.who,s side is this clown on?if this president is not in it to win,then bring them home.do not put your healthcare deform in front of lives.BB |
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BB, this Osama makes Hitler and Mussolini look like "newborn babes".....he is nothing but a wanna be dictator, and we must not let that happen....he is nationalizing corporate America, has his "followers" hating the "rich", and now, he has little kids singing praises to his sorry azz...just like Adolph and Benito.....
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This thread only illustrates your intentional ignorance of the situation. You have so many questions for Obama yet whenever he takes the public stage to speak, you refuse to watch or listen. Either stop avoiding him or stop asking the questions, but don't expect us to reiterate his speeches to you second hand.
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| i have no ignorance of the situation,when he takes the stage which is way to often,i always watch and listen..why is it in c world anyone who disagrees with you their ignorant to the situation...i thought you would wake up in a good mood having a couple days off..let me ask a stupid question.is the healthcare issue more important than the troops?BB |
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| blackballed wrote: | | i have no ignorance of the situation,when he takes the stage which is way to often,i always watch and listen..why is it in c world anyone who disagrees with you their ignorant to the situation...i thought you would wake up in a good mood having a couple days off..let me ask a stupid question.is the healthcare issue more important than the troops?BB |
BB, don't you realize that if we're not LIBCHITS we have to be stupid, ignorant, racist, homophobes, sexists.......we are not intelligent enough to be an ENLIGHTENED SOCIALIST PIG LIBCHIT, especially like the ones in Pittsburgh, destroying property and making a large pain in the azz out of their LIBCHIT actions.
I believe those people are anarchists...
Socialist = big government
anarchist = no government
Try as you might, the anarchist libertarian crowd belongs to you conservatives...
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| Quote: | | healthcare issue more important than the troops? |
First, why does one have to be more important than the other... it's like saying is food more important than water?
Second, you could make the case either way... you could say that health care is MORE important than the troops because of the numbers... In the past 8 years, 150,000 people died prematurely from not having basic care... if you add 9/11 + the deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, health care wins.
But you could also say that the troops are more important due to the nature of their situation... they offered their life to the defense of this country... they asked to be put in harm's way, so their needs should be supported first and foremost as a debt of gratitude on the public's part... nobody asks to get stomach cancer a month after their COBRA runs out.
But I wouldn't put one ahead of the other... but God forbid the president try to do two things at once... the conservatives act like the big bad socialist is coming at them from every angle and "why does he have to do so much so soon?"
It must be convenient to be able to attack someone no matter what course of action they choose... AND get the luxury of attacking him for actions not yet taken.
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| Why of course!! ask C FOR A RESPONSE you get E.YOU GUYS COULD SAVE SPACE by ANSWERING TOGETHER.Why ?? because in the real world our troops are a hell of a lot more important. than the prez and democrapts agenda on healthcare..people die of old age every second,our troops are dying defending this country,and it has to feel real good for them to know that people like yourself feel that politics is first.lives on the front lines second. i swear something came from idiot land has taken over some peoples brains, and anyone who believes as you do fit perfect ..BB |
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Did you read what I wrote?
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I didn't get an answer to this the other day, so I'll try again. What is your answer, BB, for handling Afghanistan? Do we just keep pouring troops into the country, letting them serve as 50-meter pop-up targets for terrorists? The lead story on Yahoo! right now is that five more of our soldiers got killed there. How many dead soldiers are you willing to pile up?
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| ellipses wrote: | | Did you read what I wrote? |
I read it and got an entirely different interpretation than BB did. I'd respond to his post, but ...
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| Brant wrote: | | I didn't get an answer to this the other day, so I'll try again. What is your answer, BB, for handling Afghanistan? Do we just keep pouring troops into the country, letting them serve as 50-meter pop-up targets for terrorists? The lead story on Yahoo! right now is that five more of our soldiers got killed there. How many dead soldiers are you willing to pile up? |
BINGO!
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| Brant wrote: | | I didn't get an answer to this the other day, so I'll try again. What is your answer, BB, for handling Afghanistan? Do we just keep pouring troops into the country, letting them serve as 50-meter pop-up targets for terrorists? The lead story on Yahoo! right now is that five more of our soldiers got killed there. How many dead soldiers are you willing to pile up? |
I can't speak for BB, but my answer to solving the Afghanistan problem is to "LEVEL THE COUNTRY" as Truman did to Japan...
There is no solving a war the MODERN-DAY LIBCHIT way......TALK, TALK, TALK.....
I heard that "talk" can't kill the enemy.....
We enter into a war for what purpose? TO WIN THE FREAKING WAR....what is so difficult about that?
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 Double B is more brainwashed than phony. The answer to his question varies from person to person. He asks for an opinion only to tell you how wrong you are. Must've graduated from idiot land U. |
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| phonyfeminazi wrote: | | Brant wrote: | | I didn't get an answer to this the other day, so I'll try again. What is your answer, BB, for handling Afghanistan? Do we just keep pouring troops into the country, letting them serve as 50-meter pop-up targets for terrorists? The lead story on Yahoo! right now is that five more of our soldiers got killed there. How many dead soldiers are you willing to pile up? |
I can't speak for BB, but my answer to solving the Afghanistan problem is to "LEVEL THE COUNTRY" as Truman did to Japan...
There is no solving a war the MODERN-DAY LIBCHIT way......TALK, TALK, TALK.....
I heard that "talk" can't kill the enemy.....
We enter into a war for what purpose? TO WIN THE FREAKING WAR....what is so difficult about that? |
Have you seen Afghanistan? It's already "leveled"...
At some point, you are just moving dirt and rocks around with bombs...
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