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Brant
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| Quote: | | A "win" in Iraq and Afghanistan is the eradication of terrorist groups from any positions of power and the stabilization of the region, while improving the quality of life for the citizens there. |
SSSS, did you start early with the weekend beverages? If you're going to achieve that kind of victory in Afghanistan and Iraq, while you're at it, why don't you build me a bridge made of butterfly wings from New York City to London. And we didn't win diddly-poo in Korea. We did lose close to 40,000 troops in that war, as I recall. Do you want to hang around in Iraq and Afghanistan, stabilizing the region, until we match that number?
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| Brant wrote: | | Quote: | | A "win" in Iraq and Afghanistan is the eradication of terrorist groups from any positions of power and the stabilization of the region, while improving the quality of life for the citizens there. |
SSSS, did you start early with the weekend beverages? If you're going to achieve that kind of victory in Afghanistan and Iraq, while you're at it, why don't you build me a bridge made of butterfly wings from New York City to London. And we didn't win diddly-poo in Korea. We did lose close to 40,000 troops in that war, as I recall. Do you want to hang around in Iraq and Afghanistan, stabilizing the region, until we match that number? |
Brantski.....unlike you phony LIBCHITS, I am a strong proponent of PEACE through any means (without destroying our security), but if that fails, we go into war with an ALL OUT ATTITUDE OF WINNING......no LIBCHIT crying and whining that we shouldn't bomb innocent civilians....we shouldn't torture prisoners......
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| Yes, without bombing innocent civilians, how can we guarantee that the hatred for the United States will continue to future generations? How else would we guarantee future wars? |
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| dick wrote: | | Yes, without bombing innocent civilians, how can we guarantee that the hatred for the United States will continue to future generations? How else would we guarantee future wars? |
Dummy, I was part of the Army of Occupation in Germany, and they didn't harbor hard feelings towards us.....what in the hell is your problem, other than being a WHINING AND CRYING apologist LIBCHIT.....
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They didn't harbor any hard feelings? Ok, I'll take your word since you were alive then.
I'm sorry, but I struggle to find any similarities in 1940's Germany and today's Iraq. After WWII, Germany was surrounded by allied countries to enforce the peace treaty. |
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| dick wrote: | They didn't harbor any hard feelings? Ok, I'll take your word since you were alive then.
I'm sorry, but I struggle to find any similarities in 1940's Germany and today's Iraq. After WWII, Germany was surrounded by allied countries to enforce the peace treaty. |
We're not talking about "peace treaty"....we are talking about libchit apologists for massive bombing of the German population.......put the beer down, and take a nap, come back and we can continue...
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | SSSS wrote: | | Not when the public does not have the same information OR the same desire to win. |
Its the responsibility of the government to provide the public with the needed information and to inspire the desire to win in them. Of course, as we learned from Iraq, its important to do that honestly or it comes back to bite you later. Now, no one trusts the government and its that much harder to get support. But ultimately, if your population does not support a war, you should not be in it. |
Is that the same as healthcare or is that different? No one is going to say Yea war our kids are going to die. It happens. Asking the public if they want war is like asking do you want your child to get cancer! No! Men and Women join the armed services to protect us and our allies if they don't know that by joining the military there is a chance they will be called upon then they are to stupid to serve and should be released without any future benefits and must pay back any perks they got, signup bonuses whatever. But if the public is against it we must listen to what the public wants and right now thats no government healthcare! |
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Depends on the poll. Some have up to 70% in support of universal health care including a government option. But health care and war policy are not the same thing anyway.
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Why are they different? Because in war, you send your citizens to die. In healthcare reform, the point is to find policy that prevents people from dying. Totally opposite ends of the spectrum.
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| Not if your going on public opinion being the deciding factor. If someone asked me if I wanted my son to work in a great job but there was a huge possibility of the building being hit by terrorists I would say no. The people in the Towers weren't given that option. People don't have to join the military. These people are unique Cy, they get it . They know what they are being asked to do. A different breed. If they were drafted I might go along with your argument, but they aren't. Heathcare polls are not that far separated as you might think. Most don't think the gov. does a good job on healthcare and most are satisfied with their insurance. So going on your theory |
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| dazes wrote: | | Not if your going on public opinion being the deciding factor. If someone asked me if I wanted my son to work in a great job but there was a huge possibility of the building being hit by terrorists I would say no. The people in the Towers weren't given that option. People don't have to join the military. These people are unique Cy, they get it . They know what they are being asked to do. A different breed. If they were drafted I might go along with your argument, but they aren't. Heathcare polls are not that far separated as you might think. Most don't think the gov. does a good job on healthcare and most are satisfied with their insurance. So going on your theory |
dazes, the government runs the post office, medicare, social security, medicaid, FEMA, and various other organizations, and every one of them are FAILURES.......and E, Abomb, dick, and the rest of the LIBCHITS on this forum believe that My President, Barack Obama can run a new GOVERNMENT PROGRAM?????
Are these LIBCHITS crazy or what?
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| dazes wrote: | Not if your going on public opinion being the deciding factor. If someone asked me if I wanted my son to work in a great job but there was a huge possibility of the building being hit by terrorists I would say no. The people in the Towers weren't given that option. People don't have to join the military. These people are unique Cy, they get it . They know what they are being asked to do. A different breed. If they were drafted I might go along with your argument, but they aren't. Heathcare polls are not that far separated as you might think.
Most don't think the gov. does a good job on healthcare and most are satisfied with their insurance. So going on your theory |
There are those lurking behind closed doors waiting to see if they can change this for the worse Dazes, we who are on or soon will be on Medicare need to watch this closely.
Personally, I think Obama wants a Health care program, no matter what it is. |
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| dazes wrote: | | Not if your going on public opinion being the deciding factor. If someone asked me if I wanted my son to work in a great job but there was a huge possibility of the building being hit by terrorists I would say no. The people in the Towers weren't given that option. People don't have to join the military. These people are unique Cy, they get it . They know what they are being asked to do. A different breed. If they were drafted I might go along with your argument, but they aren't. Heathcare polls are not that far separated as you might think. Most don't think the gov. does a good job on healthcare and most are satisfied with their insurance. So going on your theory |
Public opinion should be the deciding factor when peoples' lives are being sacrificed. War is a very simple thing to understand. You go, you risk dying. I'm glad people sign up and volunteer to do that, but they don't just speak for themselves. They speak for their nation and if their nation does not want to sacrifice life, that desire should be respected.
Health care is different because, as proven by tea parties and protests, people clearly don't understand it. If you ask someone, "should everyone be able to afford going to the hospital?" most if not all will say yes. When you start talking about detailed policy, that's where people get derailed by lies.
If you want to talk public opinion, the questions should be "do we go to war?" Yes or no. "Do we have health care coverage for our citizens?" Yes or no. When you start talking public option or no public option, co-ops, etc., people need to shut the hell up until they do their homework. This is exactly the same argument tetriS made about war. You don't expect your citizens to understand the intricacies of tactical planning. You don't ask citizens, "she would move 20 humvees into Tehran and execute a ground attack after two air strikes?" When they support war, they put their trust in the government to take care of the details. Should be the same for health care.
Phony, if the government is a failure, let's dissolve the military. It obviously must suck too. At least as much as Medicaid, the USPS, FDA, CDC, etc. etc.
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| Cy, please don't take this wrong, but I'm beginning to think you have a drinking problem. The beer appreciation thread in of itself isn't the give away. The equivocation and rationalization of why your always right is a warning sign. Those are some of the sign of a problem. Why are you so sure you are right with this health care thing? People have done there homework, more than some of the politicians who are voting for it. Your theory on the military is confusing to say the least. Your third paragraph says you need to trust your government to make this decision. That's opposite of your previous posts. We do elect officials to make informed decisions on our behalf but most have admitted to not being informed. The public, teabaggers as you like to refer to, are simply saying this is too important and please take you time to understand exactly what you are voting for. There are so many versions out there that I don't think anyone on the right or left can reasonably argue that their opinion is the correct one. |
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