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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just think He deserves more respect. If you call God anything other than what the Bible says He is, you are a blasphemer. If you don't believe the Bible is true then you have more problems than that. We could go around in circles on the subject of the Bible's validity and you probably would not change your mind about it so I won't argue my position.


But you are arguing your position. I'm only a bad person if you believe the Bible is true. However, I can be a good person to plenty of people who don't believe it. Since I personally think it amounts to nothing more than a nice set of fairy tales, the argument against my character using it as a basis is a logical fallacy from my position. Its kind of like saying I'm a blasphemer because I don't believe in Santa Claus. If you can formulate a secular argument for me being a blasphemer, then maybe I wouldn't find your position to be so misguided and arrogant.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually agree with you, Brant! Jesus said, " I wish you were hot or cold but because you are lukewarm I want to vomit you out of my mouth." Rev. 3:16
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's how I feel when I drink coffee or tea.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cylinsier wrote:
That's how I feel when I drink coffee or tea.


Laughing Maybe that's what Jesus was talking about & it was taken out of context. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jane, please read the book I referenced from Mitch Albom. It clearly shows how people should be considerate of all religions or even non-religions. Very inspiring.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jane, you clearly are misinterpreting me or the Bible. I do not believe. That is not lukewarm. That is cold. Period. If you believe, that would be hot. The only people who could be described as lukewarm are those who aren't sure whether they believe or not.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't saying YOU were lukewarm, you are quite obviously cold.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Cy, for providing that link....A strange form of time travel...And, yes, I read it all....pity me...
It seems that PlainJane took offense to the open support of atheism...
Perhaps she (or he ) felt overwhelmed and out-numbered and struck out naturally in the defense of her faith
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See, it's like family...I can say anything I want about my sister - but if Joe says the same thing, he and I will be rolling in the gravel
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To You, PlainJane : You are not alone...and things always change
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh brother....poor non believers....
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could say the same about the believers. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And regularly do. Surprised
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah we'll only really,really know when we know---and then poor non believers...its too late.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh brother....poor non believers....


where ya been Spike?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No pity needed.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

choosing not to choose, is still a choice...and believing in nothing is still a belief...it's one of those Zeno paradoxes...and if you maintain that Religion is an organized system of thought, demanding adherence to a particular credo, one that offers no proof, then it seems to me, that atheism itself, is a religion
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