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 Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Cylinsier wrote: | Time to drop some knowledge.
McDonald's nutrition facts:
http://nutrition.mcdonalds.com/nutritionexchange/nutrition_facts.html
Let's pick just 4 dollar menu items.
Hamburger = 250 calories
Small fries = 230 calories
4 nuggets = 190 calories + 50 calories sauce
2 X pies = 500 calories
$4 buys you 1220 calories. I'll let you examine the nutritional value in those calories in the charts above yourself. Add another 300 or so calories for a soda. That comes to around $7 after tax for over 1500 calories. The daily nutritional allotment for a healthy adult is thought to be between 2,000 and 2,500 calories in a day. For $7, you just ate two meals. If you eat at McDonald's more than once a day (or any fast food place), you are eating more than your whole day's worth of food with a meal to spare, and the calories are mostly empty.
Let's compare to a healthy meal. An apple costs around a dollar. A serving of milk is going to cost around a dollar as well. A piece of healthy protein, either in the form of fresh nuts/beans or lean meat, is going to be in the 4 to 5 dollar range. A vegetable is going to be at least a dollar. A serving of grain will probably land in the 2 to 3 dollar range. This is all based on my average grocery bill. For a healthy meal, you are looking at about $10. The calories in that meal are going to contain the nutrients you need to stay healthy. However, the total calorie value is going to be around 700 or maybe 800 if you are eating a fatty meat. Fruit and vegetables are almost a net gain of 0 calories. Grain, if its not loaded with high fructose corn syrup, is going to be 100 to 200. The meat will carry the bulk at 500 or so. The milk probably has less than 100.
So, you can pay $7 for 1500 unhealthy calories but feel full...of fat.
Or, you can pay $10 for 800 healthy calories and not quite feel full, meaning you might eat more later.
Say $20 a day for the first meal plan (roughly 4000 calories).
Say $30 a day for the second meal plan (roughly 2400 calories).
Conclusion: its cheaper to be morbidly obese. Therefore, poor people are more likely to be fat. |
I think your health food prices are somewhat inflated. Milh is cheaper than you have unless you consider a quart of milk as a serving. Ground beef is less than $4-5 per serving and turkey or ham can be served for less that $5 per serving. Potatoes cost less than $5/10 lbs and that serves several people. Your McD cost of $-5 was per person but when you shop for real food ypu usually by for 3-5 people. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | And I would point out that the healthy method means less calories. Someone used to 1500 calorie meals at Mickey D's is going to have a hard time keeping to a similar budget eating taters and tunafish. That won't fill them up like a big mac will. |
Remember we as a country are fat. we all need to eat less, weather we are stil hungery or not. So not being filled or not should not be a concern. |
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Cylinsier
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| pap wrote: | | I think your health food prices are somewhat inflated. Milh is cheaper than you have unless you consider a quart of milk as a serving. Ground beef is less than $4-5 per serving and turkey or ham can be served for less that $5 per serving. Potatoes cost less than $5/10 lbs and that serves several people. Your McD cost of $-5 was per person but when you shop for real food ypu usually by for 3-5 people. |
Its actually cheaper if you buy milk by the quart. My prices were based on buying for an individual. You always pay more buying the same amount of food if you buy it in smaller servings. Ground beef is not healthy. I'm specifying lean meats which carry nutrition you can't get from red meats like ground beef. If you want a balanced, healthy diet, you need something like fish. You're also going to see a bigger calorie increase from the red meat. Add about 300 to my calculation. Potatoes don't count as a vegetable in my calculation either. They are nutritious, but mostly starch and a filler. You have to include the cost of something like celery or lettuce if you want to see a balanced meal. A diet subsisting of only potatoes is just asking for malnutrition. My prices weren't inflated. It is clearly cheaper to eat larger amounts of calories at McDonalds. Try matching the McD's calories with real food from the grocery store and see how big your bill is.
| pap wrote: | | Remember we as a country are fat. we all need to eat less, weather we are stil hungery or not. So not being filled or not should not be a concern. |
Easier said than done. Again, fast food is more calories for less money. Its easy to say we should exercise self-control, but when you're hungry and its only a dollar more for another hamburger, you're likely going to pay it. If you really want to see people eat less, then there needs to be some control over the healthiness and calorie content of the supercheap junk food.
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My suggestion, balanced as it is between physical anthropology and the dictates of evolutionary biology, is to ignore the freaking food pyramid, and eat like our ancestors did…..3 days of meat, with salt, as much as you can eat. Then 3 days of hunger with nothing but water. Then 3 days of green beans and vegetables only, as much as you can eat…Then 3 days with nothing but water…Then 3 days of buttered garlic bread dipped in hot tomato sauce and covered with cheese- all you can eat, then hunger, then fruit…then repeat.
Study the past million years of human evolution, and show me one example of a minimum daily requirement of anything except water…!! A 10 piece bucket of KFC will last you 3 days, for 10 bucks, with mashed potatoes and gravy and cole slaw left over…A number 10 can of green beans will also last you 3 days…So will 4 6 ounce cans of tuna…..Remember, for 99.9 % of our existence on this planet, we had no supermarkets
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