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OR Guy Founder
Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 409 Location: Washington, PA
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:11 am Post subject: Columbus Day |
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Given 500-plus years of historical perspective, should we continue to celebrate Columbus Day? _________________ Sincerely,
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Cylinsier Master
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Don't care. Wasn't really worth celebrating in the first place but its more about the concept than the person and as long as Americans are hyper-nationalistic, we will probably continue to celebrate it. _________________ The end is nigh! OR forums die APRIL 1. Don't lose contact! Join the forums at bogsource.com now! |
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Amphikalein Journeyman
Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Posts: 3177 Location: Corrales, NM
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Observing Columbus Day here, in a state where a third of the population are Native Americans, is usually accompanied by grumbling and bad feelings. Government offices, banks, and other businesses still close for the day, since hardly anyone is willing to turn down a paid day off. But there are certainly no celebrations or parades. _________________ "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." ~Martin Luther King Jr.
"May we, in our dealings with all the peoples of the earth, ever speak the truth and serve justice." ~Dwight D. Eisenhower
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dick Journeyman
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:03 am Post subject: |
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I never understood that there was a controversy until the Soprano's episode where Tony has to make everyone chill out and stop bashing in the faces of the protesters. That was a good season.
I'm really indifferent, but I say keep it. Maybe someday I'll have a good enough job that gives me that day off. _________________
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Amphikalein Journeyman
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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i don't miss having to calm down the angst over observing Columbus Day in a company that employed a couple hundred Native Americans. This year is the first in 13 years that it's not an issue i have to handle.
Though i didn't care for the PC-ness of the approach, the only thing that seemed to work at the company i worked for was to rename the holiday in the company's policies and handbooks as "Italian Heritage Day." Leaving out any reference to Christopher Columbus reduced the rumblings, but there were still some complaints. Still, like i said earlier, hardly anyone is willing to turn down a paid day off. _________________ "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." ~Martin Luther King Jr.
"May we, in our dealings with all the peoples of the earth, ever speak the truth and serve justice." ~Dwight D. Eisenhower
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dazes Professional
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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I am not sure why we celebrate a day were a man got lost anyway! |
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busdriver Journeyman
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Amphikalein"]i don't miss having to calm down the angst over observing Columbus Day in a company that employed a couple hundred Native Americans. This year is the first in 13 years that it's not an issue i have to handle.
In your case, why didn't your company just call it "Indian Day"? I'm guessing they were living here before Columbus landed.
Anyone know where the Indians came from or what they called this land, before it was named after Amerigo Vespucci, or did God just put them here? |
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Amphikalein Journeyman
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="busdriver"] Amphikalein wrote: | i don't miss having to calm down the angst over observing Columbus Day in a company that employed a couple hundred Native Americans. This year is the first in 13 years that it's not an issue i have to handle.
In your case, why didn't your company just call it "Indian Day"? I'm guessing they were living here before Columbus landed.
Anyone know where the Indians came from or what they called this land, before it was named after Amerigo Vespucci, or did God just put them here? | Because "Indian" isn't exactly a label that's favored by all Native Americans. The last i was paying attention, it's believed that the ancestors of today's Native Americans crossed the exposed land bridge from present day Siberia through the Bering Strait into North America anytime from 12,000 to 50,000 years ago.
i tried "Indigenous Peoples' Day" one year as a replacement name for Columbus Day, but too many of the indigenous people here didn't know what indigenous meant. They kept thinking i was saying "indigent." _________________ "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." ~Martin Luther King Jr.
"May we, in our dealings with all the peoples of the earth, ever speak the truth and serve justice." ~Dwight D. Eisenhower
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busdriver Journeyman
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Amphikalein"] busdriver wrote: | [
i tried "Indigenous Peoples' Day" one year as a replacement name for Columbus Day, but too many of the indigenous people here didn't know what indigenous meant. They kept thinking i was saying "indigent." |
Amp, just call them Indians, do they have casinos in your state, do they call them "Indigenous Peoples' Casino"?
Read what the hell the top line says when you open this.
Hint: It ain't Indigenous .
http://www.indiancasinos.com/newmexico.shtml |
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Amphikalein Journeyman
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Most folks just generally refer to them as "the Casinos." If someone's referring to a specific one, they'll use the name of the pueblo - "I'm going down to Isleta tonight," or "Guess who's working over at Sandia Casino?"
i never said that the term "Indian" isn't used. i said that not all Native Americans like it, and that's certainly true. The self-referential terms used by varying tribes/pueblos vary, but again, around here it's generally tribal. For example, most Navajos i know simply refer to themselves as "Diné", while folks from differing pueblos will say, "I'm Jemez," or "We're Santa Ana" or "She's Acoma," "He's Laguna," etc. Then again, the joint tourist/cultural venture of 19 of the New Mexico pueblos is named the "Indian Pueblo Cultural Center." As an Anglo, i try to defer to whatever label individuals apply to themselves and their cultures, rather than what i'm naturally inclined to call them.
To each his own, i guess. _________________ "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." ~Martin Luther King Jr.
"May we, in our dealings with all the peoples of the earth, ever speak the truth and serve justice." ~Dwight D. Eisenhower
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