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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | Cylinsier wrote: | | This is kind of an irrelevant side argument. The original point was that Sarah Palin claims government run health care is a socialist takeover. If she believed that, then she would not allow any of her family's dependents to be on it. Whether or not the Palin family is entitled to those benefits has nothing to do with whether or not using them makes her a hypocrite. |
Exactly! But Pap prefers to go on & on about the irrelevant side argument, & ignores the main argument.  |
I don't see this as irrelevent. The indians paid for this with their lands. They were placed under the protection of the US government (Bureau of Indian Affairs). You and Cy may see this as socialist medicine but I see it as paid in full for the exchange of the indian lands. You see it as free care, I see it as a poor exchange for the value of the lands taken. The fact that the Bureau of Indian Affairs ripped off the tribes for centuries makes this care seem paltry. |
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I guess under your scenario, Pap, since black people in this country were enslaved for many years, they and their descendants should be entitled to free health care, etc., no questions asked. You can't have it both ways.
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Paid for it with their lands???
That's like saying that an innocent man in jail gets three square meals a day because he paid for them with his freedom!
Why don't we give socialized medicine to the blacks? They "paid for it" with 400 years of free labor!
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| pap wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | Cylinsier wrote: | | This is kind of an irrelevant side argument. The original point was that Sarah Palin claims government run health care is a socialist takeover. If she believed that, then she would not allow any of her family's dependents to be on it. Whether or not the Palin family is entitled to those benefits has nothing to do with whether or not using them makes her a hypocrite. |
Exactly! But Pap prefers to go on & on about the irrelevant side argument, & ignores the main argument. |
I don't see this as irrelevent. The indians paid for this with their lands. They were placed under the protection of the US government (Bureau of Indian Affairs). You and Cy may see this as socialist medicine but I see it as paid in full for the exchange of the indian lands. You see it as free care, I see it as a poor exchange for the value of the lands taken. The fact that the Bureau of Indian Affairs ripped off the tribes for centuries makes this care seem paltry. |
You're still ignoring the point. It is government-run healthcare. That's what socialized means! So Palin is a hypocrite bc she says that government-run healthcare will kill you, but she has it for her family! Get it?
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| pap wrote: | | I don't see this as irrelevent. The indians paid for this with their lands. They were placed under the protection of the US government (Bureau of Indian Affairs). You and Cy may see this as socialist medicine but I see it as paid in full for the exchange of the indian lands. You see it as free care, I see it as a poor exchange for the value of the lands taken. The fact that the Bureau of Indian Affairs ripped off the tribes for centuries makes this care seem paltry. |
Stop avoiding the argument just because you can't win it. Sarah Palin says government run healthcare is bad. Sarah Palin's family has government run healthcare. These are both facts. Everything else is irrelevant.
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | pap wrote: | | I don't see this as irrelevent. The indians paid for this with their lands. They were placed under the protection of the US government (Bureau of Indian Affairs). You and Cy may see this as socialist medicine but I see it as paid in full for the exchange of the indian lands. You see it as free care, I see it as a poor exchange for the value of the lands taken. The fact that the Bureau of Indian Affairs ripped off the tribes for centuries makes this care seem paltry. |
Stop avoiding the argument just because you can't win it. Sarah Palin says government run healthcare is bad. Sarah Palin's family has government run healthcare. These are both facts. Everything else is irrelevant. |
If Sarah's family is legally eligible, and the program does exist, and they have filed all the legal paperwork, and were accepted, why jump in her chit? |
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| Brant wrote: | | I guess under your scenario, Pap, since black people in this country were enslaved for many years, they and their descendants should be entitled to free health care, etc., no questions asked. You can't have it both ways. |
No,
Blacks were given their freedom back, they have been free for over 150 years (in this counrty), indians were not given their land back. I don't see that as the same. |
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So... a hundred and fifty years ago, my grandfather's land is taken because he's an indian... and that means I get socialized health care today?
And my kids get it? And their kids get it?
Damn... That's a sweet deal. Pay for it once... and every spawn who ever shares your genetic makeup gets the benefits forever!
INCREDIBLE! Time to start doing a family tree... I gotta find out if maybe someone called my great great great aunt Josephine a ho-bag and shot her horse... that's got to be worth free cable, at least!
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| busdriver wrote: | | Cylinsier wrote: | | pap wrote: | | I don't see this as irrelevent. The indians paid for this with their lands. They were placed under the protection of the US government (Bureau of Indian Affairs). You and Cy may see this as socialist medicine but I see it as paid in full for the exchange of the indian lands. You see it as free care, I see it as a poor exchange for the value of the lands taken. The fact that the Bureau of Indian Affairs ripped off the tribes for centuries makes this care seem paltry. |
Stop avoiding the argument just because you can't win it. Sarah Palin says government run healthcare is bad. Sarah Palin's family has government run healthcare. These are both facts. Everything else is irrelevant. |
If Sarah's family is legally eligible, and the program does exist, and they have filed all the legal paperwork, and were accepted, why jump in her chit? |
No one's jumping in her chit, she's jumping in ours. She wants to deny us affordable, available health care because she says its the devil, yet she's enjoying it while we aren't looking. The double standard is obvious. If she doesn't agree with government run health care, she needs to lead by example and drop hers in favor of the private sector, which she can afford much better than the rest of us.
Again, there is no argument here about her eligibility. She is obviously eligible. Its her hypocritical stance that we are debating.
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I guess Pap's the one who gets to determine what is proper compensation for the various crimes against humanity. But he still can't seem to understand the basic issue, which has been explained over and over and over again.
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| Brant wrote: | | he (pap) still can't seem to understand the basic issue, which has been explained over and over and over again. |
This is pap's trademark.
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Good point. 
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | busdriver wrote: | | Cylinsier wrote: | | pap wrote: | | I don't see this as irrelevent. The indians paid for this with their lands. They were placed under the protection of the US government (Bureau of Indian Affairs). You and Cy may see this as socialist medicine but I see it as paid in full for the exchange of the indian lands. You see it as free care, I see it as a poor exchange for the value of the lands taken. The fact that the Bureau of Indian Affairs ripped off the tribes for centuries makes this care seem paltry. |
Stop avoiding the argument just because you can't win it. Sarah Palin says government run healthcare is bad. Sarah Palin's family has government run healthcare. These are both facts. Everything else is irrelevant. |
If Sarah's family is legally eligible, and the program does exist, and they have filed all the legal paperwork, and were accepted, why jump in her chit? |
No one's jumping in her chit, she's jumping in ours. She wants to deny us affordable, available health care because she says its the devil, yet she's enjoying it while we aren't looking. The double standard is obvious. If she doesn't agree with government run health care, she needs to lead by example and drop hers in favor of the private sector, which she can afford much better than the rest of us.
Again, there is no argument here about her eligibility. She is obviously eligible. Its her hypocritical stance that we are debating. |
Cy, that is what makes her a viable politition.
They almost all justiy their actions/inactions using trans-actional analylsis.
Or as they speak up on a podium above us, like they may as well be saying;
"It is not for you to reason why, it is for you to do or die" |
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| Brant wrote: | | I guess Pap's the one who gets to determine what is proper compensation for the various crimes against humanity. But he still can't seem to understand the basic issue, which has been explained over and over and over again. |
Hey, you brought up the blacks, not me. All I said was one group got back what it lost, the other didn't. |
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| ellipses wrote: | So... a hundred and fifty years ago, my grandfather's land is taken because he's an indian... and that means I get socialized health care today?
And my kids get it? And their kids get it?
Damn... That's a sweet deal. Pay for it once... and every spawn who ever shares your genetic makeup gets the benefits forever!
INCREDIBLE! Time to start doing a family tree... I gotta find out if maybe someone called my great great great aunt Josephine a ho-bag and shot her horse... that's got to be worth free cable, at least! |
I agree, give them back their land and lets kill this damn socialist medicine. |
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