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| Brant wrote: | | As far as our treatment of Indians in the West was concerned, that wasn't really a "sale." We sort of seized the land. But the fact remains that Palin's grandkid is taking advantage of socialized medicine. |
Not just out west. we seized all the land. What we didn't actually "seize" upfront we enacted a treaty that we imediatly violated. But once lands in the west were seized we also siged treaties with each tribe saying the US would care for the indians since we took the land that supplied all their needs. |
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Pap--Are the Palins Native Americans? I'm pretty sure they are not. They're taking advantage of socialized medicine & Sarah is telling US that socialized medicine is evil. Therefore, Sarah Palin is a hypocrite. End of story. Can we be done with this thread now?
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | Pap--Are the Palins Native Americans? I'm pretty sure they are not. They're taking advantage of socialized medicine & Sarah is telling US that socialized medicine is evil. Therefore, Sarah Palin is a hypocrite. End of story. Can we be done with this thread now? |
Yeah, gotta hate that sexy woman.....right, Ms Jealous?
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OndinitaAKALibchit
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| phonyfeminazi wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | Pap--Are the Palins Native Americans? I'm pretty sure they are not. They're taking advantage of socialized medicine & Sarah is telling US that socialized medicine is evil. Therefore, Sarah Palin is a hypocrite. End of story. Can we be done with this thread now? |
Yeah, gotta hate that sexy woman.....right, Ms Jealous? |
Sarah Palin is good looking for being a politician, in her 40's. If I was going to be jealous, it would be of someone younger, prettier & smarter, like Scarlett Johansson. Plus, have you seen my husband? Yeah...She can keep Todd!
But maybe YOU are jealous of Obama. He is wayyyyy younger, smarter & better looking than you. THAT makes sense!
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | phonyfeminazi wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | Pap--Are the Palins Native Americans? I'm pretty sure they are not. They're taking advantage of socialized medicine & Sarah is telling US that socialized medicine is evil. Therefore, Sarah Palin is a hypocrite. End of story. Can we be done with this thread now? |
Yeah, gotta hate that sexy woman.....right, Ms Jealous? |
Sarah Palin is good looking for being a politician, in her 40's. If I was going to be jealous, it would be of someone younger, prettier & smarter, like Scarlett Johansson. Plus, have you seen my husband? Yeah...She can keep Todd!
But maybe YOU are jealous of Obama. He is wayyyyy younger, smarter & better looking than you. THAT makes sense! |
No, never been jealous of any man.....too many dumb broads out there for the taking..
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OndinitaAKALibchit
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 Phony, the Italian Stallion!
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | Pap--Are the Palins Native Americans? I'm pretty sure they are not. They're taking advantage of socialized medicine & Sarah is telling US that socialized medicine is evil. Therefore, Sarah Palin is a hypocrite. End of story. Can we be done with this thread now? |
Don't assume anything. If they are not tribal I don't think they would qualify. if you don't need to be tribal then all the uninsured could join and we would not need HCR!! |
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OndinitaAKALibchit
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| pap wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | Pap--Are the Palins Native Americans? I'm pretty sure they are not. They're taking advantage of socialized medicine & Sarah is telling US that socialized medicine is evil. Therefore, Sarah Palin is a hypocrite. End of story. Can we be done with this thread now? |
Don't assume anything. If they are not tribal I don't think they would qualify. if you don't need to be tribal then all the uninsured could join and we would not need HCR!! |
Even if they are Native Americans (I still doubt it), they're STILL benefiting from socialized healthcare. She's still a hypocrite.
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| pap wrote: | | Amphikalein wrote: | | pap wrote: | | Amphikalein wrote: | The Indian Health Service (IHS) is US government run and is actually truly socialized medicine (i.e. the government owns the facilities and employs the doctors, nurses, etc.)
If folks can't see the hypocrisy here, it's because they're not willing to see clearly. |
And this was in payment for what, taking the indians land? That means the indians sold their land for among other things, healthcre. |
Amazing the obfuscation righties try and trot out in order to excuse actual socialism.
And sold their land? What you don't know about Natives is a lot.  |
I suppose you know so much more. They were forced on to reservations and told the US government would take care of them. Right? How many of the tribes signed treaties agreeing to this and the US signed s well. |
Probably know more than you, living as i do in the heart of Indian country, and counting among my friends and coworkers members of the Diné, Laguna, Isleta, Sandia, Blackfeet, Santo Domingo, Jemez, Pojoaque, Zuñi, Santa Ana, Taos, Cherokee, Shoshone, Nez Perce, Ute and most likely other tribes as well. Then there's the friends i have who work for IHS, or the guy i know who's been an attorney for the Indian Land Trust for years (they're not First Nation, so far as i know.)
Let's see - the last time i was on a Rez? This past Friday. When did you last visit one?
How many broken treaties? Far too many, especially when even one was enough cause for shame.
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Sorry, Amph...I wanted to chime in and support your opinion with my own experience working among the Di'neh in the checkerboard, and how Palin's running mate worked hard to get universal health coverage for the Navajo, and paid for it by leasing their land to Peabody Coal (and some campaign money thrown in), and getting it done by faking a war between them and the Hopi and promising heap big casino profits....
but I was just too busy laughing at "The Italian Stallion" reference...
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| freethinker wrote: | Sorry, Amph...I wanted to chime in and support your opinion with my own experience working among the Di'neh in the checkerboard, and how Palin's running mate worked hard to get universal health coverage for the Navajo, and paid for it by leasing their land to Peabody Coal (and some campaign money thrown in), and getting it done by faking a war between them and the Hopi and promising heap big casino profits....
but I was just too busy laughing at "The Italian Stallion" reference... |
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| Amphikalein wrote: | | pap wrote: | | Amphikalein wrote: | | pap wrote: | | Amphikalein wrote: | The Indian Health Service (IHS) is US government run and is actually truly socialized medicine (i.e. the government owns the facilities and employs the doctors, nurses, etc.)
If folks can't see the hypocrisy here, it's because they're not willing to see clearly. |
And this was in payment for what, taking the indians land? That means the indians sold their land for among other things, healthcre. |
Amazing the obfuscation righties try and trot out in order to excuse actual socialism.
And sold their land? What you don't know about Natives is a lot. |
I suppose you know so much more. They were forced on to reservations and told the US government would take care of them. Right? How many of the tribes signed treaties agreeing to this and the US signed s well. |
Probably know more than you, living as i do in the heart of Indian country, and counting among my friends and coworkers members of the Diné, Laguna, Isleta, Sandia, Blackfeet, Santo Domingo, Jemez, Pojoaque, Zuñi, Santa Ana, Taos, Cherokee, Shoshone, Nez Perce, Ute and most likely other tribes as well. Then there's the friends i have who work for IHS, or the guy i know who's been an attorney for the Indian Land Trust for years (they're not First Nation, so far as i know.)
Let's see - the last time i was on a Rez? This past Friday. When did you last visit one?
How many broken treaties? Far too many, especially when even one was enough cause for shame. |
Isuppose you also know a lot of black as well. I have also been to the , as you call it, the rez as well. I have been to NM, AZ, CA, OK and have been to the Rez. You can work for the tribe and not be of the tribe but , as far as I know to qualify for any tribal benifits you must be of the tribe. Many people back east also go to the rez just to gamble, so more people than you think go to the Rez. Also much of the the land back east was sold, ALA Manhatten Island and parts of PA. Some was also taken (Georgia and the Cherokees) but most was given through treaties after a war was lost.
What ever they get for the land they lost will never replace the value of the land and it resources lost. |
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This is kind of an irrelevant side argument. The original point was that Sarah Palin claims government run health care is a socialist takeover. If she believed that, then she would not allow any of her family's dependents to be on it. Whether or not the Palin family is entitled to those benefits has nothing to do with whether or not using them makes her a hypocrite.
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Todd Palin is part Inuit... If I had known that the whole point of this argument was whether or not the Palins have a feather in their headdress or not, I would have provided that bit of info earlier...
I don't see how "qualifying" for socialist medicine by virtue of birth changes things, though...
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | This is kind of an irrelevant side argument. The original point was that Sarah Palin claims government run health care is a socialist takeover. If she believed that, then she would not allow any of her family's dependents to be on it. Whether or not the Palin family is entitled to those benefits has nothing to do with whether or not using them makes her a hypocrite. |
Exactly! But Pap prefers to go on & on about the irrelevant side argument, & ignores the main argument.
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