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| ellipses wrote: | Pap... 97% of climatologists agree that global warming is an observably occurring phenomenon AND that humans are responsible... why don't you give them the same clout as one doctor from Greene County?
A clear majority of health care professionals were in favor of the earlier health care bills (the ones with all the evil socialism in them)... are you that hung up on the underdog?
I'm surprised you aren't an atheist... we only have like 15% concurrence in the US |
I have many time on this board. These aare the same people who were predicting were were entering an ice age in the early 1980's after looking back of countless centuries of "data". Ten years or so later they flip over to global warming. What a flip flop. That killed their crediability with me. They sound like chicken little.
The earth is dynamic, not static. Things change, ices ages come and go. Even today many scientiest feel we are between ice ages.
What we saw in th 70's (cold and snow) and today are just natural cycles and these cycles will continue.
When things get colder or warmer, iyts natural, not us. |
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Pap, I know I'm pounding my head against a brick wall, but you're ALREADY PAYING for the uninsured in the form of higher health insurance costs. The uninsured are still getting treated, and you and I are picking up the tab.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Brant wrote: | | Pap, I know I'm pounding my head against a brick wall, but you're ALREADY PAYING for the uninsured in the form of higher health insurance costs. The uninsured are still getting treated, and you and I are picking up the tab. |
Yes I know that. But no one is raising my taxes to cover this and my share of the premium is not rising very fast. I have retire medical at a cost of $275/month. In 2002 the cost was $250/month. Not much of an increase. I have seen how the well intentioned medicaid and medocare programs have vastly exceeded the politicians estimates and are pushing the country further into the red every year. |
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Once again, "I'm fine so screw everyone else." Making the same mistake you always do; assuming everyone else in life pays the same as you do and had the same opportunities you did.
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | Once again, "I'm fine so screw everyone else." Making the same mistake you always do; assuming everyone else in life pays the same as you do and had the same opportunities you did. |
I did't assume anything. I gave facts about my health care premium. Everyone must realize, there were no savings. Why do you think the unions otped out of sharing those proposed savings? Because they knew there were none. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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I don't even know what you're talking about anymore.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Neither does he.
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. |
Sure you do you just can't convince me that there was some alledged savings associated with the HCR being pushed by the dems. Even the unions saw through that even though they support the dems 100% of the time (except this time). If the unions believed there would be a cost savings for thier members, they would have signed up, but they saw through the smoke. |
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No, if the unions could make a buck off of this they would support it. Chances are, if they're not supporting it, they're currently skimming a nice percentage that they don't want to lose. Be realistic pap. Unions don't just blindly support dems. They support themselves first and foremost.
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| pap wrote: | | Sure you do you just can't convince me that there was some alledged savings associated with the HCR being pushed by the dems. Even the unions saw through that even though they support the dems 100% of the time (except this time). If the unions believed there would be a cost savings for thier members, they would have signed up, but they saw through the smoke. |
Yeah, and I can't convince a terrorist that Americans aren't the devil either; doesn't make them right.
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I've explained this all to you before. The original version of the health-care proposals had the potential to produce eventual savings. The watered-down versions that are on the table now, not so much. The unions didn't oppose the health-care legislation because they saw no hope for eventual savings. They opposed it because their members' health-insurance plans might have been subject to higher taxes. I hope that was simple enough for you.
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| Brant wrote: | | I've explained this all to you before. The original version of the health-care proposals had the potential to produce eventual savings. The watered-down versions that are on the table now, not so much. The unions didn't oppose the health-care legislation because they saw no hope for eventual savings. They opposed it because their members' health-insurance plans might have been subject to higher taxes. I hope that was simple enough for you. |
I agree, the unions saw no savings for thier menbers only increased cost, so they opted out. Thats what I said above. |
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Yes, from the current form of the bill. Yet you continue to conveniently ignore the fact that the original bill with the public option would have afforded savings for all.
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | Yes, from the current form of the bill. Yet you continue to conveniently ignore the fact that the original bill with the public option would have afforded savings for all. |
I never saw any saving in either the house or the senate version. They alledges future saving is medicare or medicaid, but not to anyone else. TAxes would be raised to cover the subsidies to low income uninsured and premiums would rise to cover the increased risk assumed by insurers for pre-existing conditions and a huge number of people with unhealthy lifestyles not now insured. Insurers will not eat those cost- premiums will rise. There is no free lunch and no free health care. Someone has to pay. |
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Your blatant lack of understanding of the original legislation makes this conversation pointless; you are not operating with the proper level of information to participate in it, or are being deliberately ignorant of the facts.
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