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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:09 pm    Post subject: Health care article in Sundays Op/ed section Reply with quote

How many of you read the op/ed article by John Miller, retired doctor form Greene County? This is someone more familiar with healthcare and health insurane than most, if not all, of us and he does not see any cost savings form the proposals to date.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pap, I didn't read the article, but if he's talking about the legislation as it stands now, he's probably right. That's because the bills have been gutted of the provisions that could have saved money.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: Health care article in Sundays Op/ed section Reply with quote

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How many of you read the op/ed article by John Miller, retired doctor form Greene County? This is someone more familiar with healthcare and health insurane than most, if not all, of us and he does not see any cost savings form the proposals to date.


That vast majority of health care professionals strongly supported the bill when it still included the public option.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Brant"]Pap, I didn't read the article, but if he's talking about the legislation as it stands now, he's probably right. That's because the bills have been gutted of the provisions that could have saved money.



Exactly who is suppossed to be saving money?

Is this health care or money care?

If those involved would spend as much effort on serving the people who got them there, as they seem to do on serving themselves; maybe, just maybe, we all would be the better for it?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suggest you all read the article before you comment.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brant wrote:
Pap, I didn't read the article, but if he's talking about the legislation as it stands now, he's probably right. That's because the bills have been gutted of the provisions that could have saved money.

It read as if he was talking about the inability to control the actual cost of health care without some limit on the amount of care the government will be responsible for picking up, not any bill or proposal in particular.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK. Now I've read it, and Pap/George, I'm not surprised that you like it. This guy is just like you. Screw the poor. If they can't afford good health care, let 'em die. The fact is, for many people, if they do not get help from their employer or their government to help pay for their care, they couldn't come close to affording the medicine and treatments and surgeries that they need to survive. But that's fine with you and John Miller of Greene County. You don't give a damn about anything but your own wealth. And you sure don't give a damn about your fellow man.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't I find this on the website?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the piece:

Failed Obamacare will do one good thing: Health care reform, center stage before all the players and the nation, will get real debate, hopefully without government control, its “politics” and corruption as an excuse for success. We should all sigh deeply, having stepped back from the brink.
Most cost reform will occur with competition, personal choice and relief from excessive litigation and judgments that pay for midday TV advertising. The American people must realize that true cost control will happen only when you take the best of the best care off the table for everyone. As with our wars and bailouts, we’re finding we actually can’t afford it. Individuals must take responsibility for what they want and pay for it like anything else, not expecting their boss or the government (really their neighbor taxpayer) to foot the bill.
Driven by the engine of advancing technology and research, the newer tests, equipment, procedures, operations and drugs are pricing health care out of affordability. When someone else is paying, who will not pursue the most expensive, though least likely to help, in the name of entitlement? After all, isn’t everybody getting transplants and what used to be experimental therapy?
Real cost containment comes when people decide what is enough – as they decide how long and how well they might live. Government – unless totalitarian – will never do this. Insurance companies can design policies with varying deductibles and benefits to meet people’s desires. State or federal subsidy can assist those of low means to obtain some coverage.
What we see today is working people opting for limited, high deductible policies they can afford, union bosses lobbying for “Cadillacs” for their workers – so they can get Cadillacs from their workers for themselves, and those on Medicaid-programs being given open-ended benefits without restraint on bad lifestyle choices and how welfare moneys are used. Medicare and Medicaid are going bust because politicians do not limit access – therefore cost – for fear of bad press and reprisal. Fewer actually work and produce for the growing number with hands out for help.
The American people’s desire for life, life-extension and comfort is not balanced with accountability and what they, as individuals, are willing to spend toward it – as a percentage of their personal resources. That is how we pay for auto and homeowner’s insurance. As a personal right, with someone else paying, there will never be health care cost reform – only endless finger pointing – as we demand more and more of the best of the best while someone else is paying for it.

John Miller is a retired physician and a resident of Holbrook, Greene County.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think John Miller IS pap/george.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short version:

This fire is getting too big to handle! Quick, somebody put it out by pouring this can of gasoline on it! I know what I'm talking about, I'm a mechanic!

So sick of these jackasses...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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After all, isn’t everybody getting transplants and what used to be experimental therapy?


Uhm... no... ?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amom wrote:
I think John Miller IS pap/george.


phony too!


I'd liked it better with the public option. Without it there is no incentive for the insurance companies to lower their premiums.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd liked it better with the public option. Without it there is no incentive for the insurance companies to lower their premiums.


Precisely.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, its not me. I am no doctor and I didn't stay at a HolidaY Inn Express last night either. Miller is someone closer to the issue than us not seeing any cost savings for what was proposed in either the house or senate version.
If they were going to save us all money why couldn't they show us or explain exactly where those saving were coming from and how long it would take to realize those savings? The only savings I saw were in Lousiana, Nebraska and for the unions.
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