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freethinker · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject:

Now you're getting Kafkaesque....
When the two most reasonable and responsible people on this forum--- amom, who understands children, (which you don't), And SSSS, who understands the legal system, (which you don't )-- disagree with you...and they both maintain that the kid should not be charged,
the continuation of your opposition changes from Robespierre,, to ...
to Phony
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Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

Its not up to amom or SSSS whether or not the kid should be charged. It has nothing to do with understanding children either. I answered the question based on the information given.

Brant · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:27 pm Post subject:

But the police have NOT determined that the kid should be charged. It's still very much up in the air.
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Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

And if they decide not to charge him, then it will be based on either new evidence or a new interpretation of the given evidence.

Again, I based my answer only on what information I was provided. The question was,

"Should Scott J. Baker's 12-year-old son, whom police say Baker enlisted in his plan to kill his wife, be charged in Melissa Ann Baker's death?"

Based only on the information provided, the answer is yes. If the question had been, "Using evidence you made up, should Baker's son be charged," then we would be having a different discussion. If and when the police decide not to press charges, I will be interested to read their reasoning and I will most likely agree with it because, again, they know more than I do. All I know now is what they have told us and what they have told us warrants charges.
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freethinker · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject:

Man...did you take extra serious pills today...? Dude...relax
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SSSS · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:34 pm Post subject:

the determination that needs to be made is this-yes what he did was wrong, but does it rise to the level of a criminal offense? Did he meet the rules of culpability in that did he act recklessly, intelligently, knowingly, or intentionally. If the answwer is not yes to those, then charges should not be filed.
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amom · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:41 pm Post subject:

Thank you, SSSS. I'm not looking at this completely emotionally. Trust me I have seen some really creepy 12 year olds that probably would have been fully capable of doing this deed themselves and enlisting the help of their fathers. But, based on what I've read of this case and recognizing that the entire story has not been printed, I still feel the boy seems to be a victim. If charges have not yet been charged, the mention of "maybe" charging him should never had been newsworthy.
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Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

There seems to be some correlation between "charging" and "torturing" in Washington county. Maybe I'm just no familiar with local legal practice.
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amom · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:44 pm Post subject:

and Cy's posts would not have jumped up 14. Wink

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freethinker · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:03 pm Post subject:

Or maybe, Moriarty, you have much more faith in the legal system, than a con-man like me, would ever enjoy....
Whether this kid is guilty or innocent of a felony, he should be treated, not prosecuted....And yeah, I do have faith in the law enforcement officers who know more than we do...and I'm certain they will evaluate the situation, and make our concerns unnecessary
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SSSS · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:04 pm Post subject:

No Cy that determination must be made BEFORE the charges are filed. It is in the PA Rules of Criminal Procedure-Rules of Culpability.
The father should be charged additionally with Criminal Coercion but I maintain that the charges against the boy should not be filed-he was not culpable given the information YOU provide.
Seriously Cy-just this once admit you MAY be wrong. It will not hurt for long. We do not expect you to be an expert of every subject.
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freethinker · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:08 pm Post subject:

Unleash He11, SSSS...
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SSSS · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject:

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Brant · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:10 pm Post subject:

Sometimes there's just no reasoning with Cy. Sigh.
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