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Most states are that way. There's nothing stopping you from registering for one or the other party if you want to vote in the primary. Putting everyone on the ballot and having a multi-candidate election is a good way to piss a lot of people off. There might be a bunch of votes split between 7 candidates and candidate 7 wins with 17% of the vote, but that's not a mandate. Everyone who voted for candidates 1-6 might say, "hey, if the election was just between him and one other guy, we would have put our differences aside and voted against him." This is why you whittle down to 2 before having the final election and why state races like the governorship of, was it Alabama?, had a second round of voting after the first had the votes split between three candidates. They eliminated the guy that got the fewest votes and then had a runoff between the top 2.
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | Most states are that way. There's nothing stopping you from registering for one or the other party if you want to vote in the primary. Putting everyone on the ballot and having a multi-candidate election is a good way to piss a lot of people off. There might be a bunch of votes split between 7 candidates and candidate 7 wins with 17% of the vote, but that's not a mandate. Everyone who voted for candidates 1-6 might say, "hey, if the election was just between him and one other guy, we would have put our differences aside and voted against him." This is why you whittle down to 2 before having the final election and why state races like the governorship of, was it Alabama?, had a second round of voting after the first had the votes split between three candidates. They eliminated the guy that got the fewest votes and then had a runoff between the top 2. |
You missed my point. You should not have to register for any party to vote in any election. I don't see elections as "mandates". Just a choice between two or more people for a job. I bet 75% of the people who vote don't know squst about the people they vote for anyway so how can it be a "mandate"? |
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I think someone registered as an independent should be allowed to vote in whichever primary he prefers.
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Off topic from the current discussion, but applying to what the Open Letter calls a platform | Quote: | | built on a foundation of cowardice: fear of people with colors, religions, cultures and sex lives that differ from your own; fear of reform in banking, health care, energy; fantasy fears of America being transformed into an Islamic nation, into social/commun/fasc-ism, into a disarmed populace put in internment camps; and more. |
Someone I know just reported someone on facebook whose status said, "A good solution to this healthcare bill is assassination".
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| Brant wrote: | | I think someone registered as an independent should be allowed to vote in whichever primary he prefers. |
Amen!!!! I would bet the number of Indies would triple or quadruple by the next election.
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I'd be at the elections office tomorrow to change my registration.
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| pap wrote: | | You missed my point. You should not have to register for any party to vote in any election. I don't see elections as "mandates". Just a choice between two or more people for a job. I bet 75% of the people who vote don't know squst about the people they vote for anyway so how can it be a "mandate"? |
You don't. Independents can vote in any election they want. A primary is not an election, it is a method of determining which candidate a party will put forth. As far as I know, there is no federal law that says a primary must be open to voters at all. Political parties are technically free to appoint their candidate behind closed doors. That they allow anyone to vote in primaries at all is unique to the United States. It is not a surprise that most states still choose to close their doors to those not directly affiliated with the party. The election is the only part of the process that has to be truly Democratic. At the primary level, their is a vested interest in allowing only party affiliates to vote for the ultimate candidate as the party wants to make sure the person with the most support among their own voters will be the one running. If people who are going to vote for the other party regardless are allowed to vote in their primary, then they are allowing the strength of their candidacy to be undermined before the actual election has even begun.
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| dick wrote: | Off topic from the current discussion, but applying to what the Open Letter calls a platform | Quote: | | built on a foundation of cowardice: fear of people with colors, religions, cultures and sex lives that differ from your own; fear of reform in banking, health care, energy; fantasy fears of America being transformed into an Islamic nation, into social/commun/fasc-ism, into a disarmed populace put in internment camps; and more. |
Someone I know just reported someone on facebook whose status said, "A good solution to this healthcare bill is assassination". |
That is uncalled for.....as much as I dislike the policies of the DUMBO CRAP PARTY, this idiot president is just the figurehead leader of that sick political party.
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| dick wrote: | Off topic from the current discussion, but applying to what the Open Letter calls a platform | Quote: | | built on a foundation of cowardice: fear of people with colors, religions, cultures and sex lives that differ from your own; fear of reform in banking, health care, energy; fantasy fears of America being transformed into an Islamic nation, into social/commun/fasc-ism, into a disarmed populace put in internment camps; and more. |
Someone I know just reported someone on facebook whose status said, "A good solution to this healthcare bill is assassination". |
I'm not surprised. I've been reading so many disturbing comments along the same lines. I hope that the Secret Service is stepping up Obama's security detail.
Thanks Fox News, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, GOP officials & everone else involved...I hope that you're happy with the monster you've created!
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I just can't believe someone would be stupid enough to write that.
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And when he gets arrested, I bet a million people join the group created for him-- "Join the group "So-And-So is a political prisoner of Obama"
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| dick wrote: | | I just can't believe someone would be stupid enough to write that. |
There's a news page on FB that has deleted tons of comments like that. There are a lot of stupid people out there!
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saw on tv yesterday where they ran a lLmbballs clip where he told his followers that we need to get "rid of these bastards", I guess those who voted for health care or those who joined in later, wasn't very clear. |
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | pap wrote: | | You missed my point. You should not have to register for any party to vote in any election. I don't see elections as "mandates". Just a choice between two or more people for a job. I bet 75% of the people who vote don't know squst about the people they vote for anyway so how can it be a "mandate"? |
You don't. Independents can vote in any election they want. A primary is not an election, it is a method of determining which candidate a party will put forth. As far as I know, there is no federal law that says a primary must be open to voters at all. Political parties are technically free to appoint their candidate behind closed doors. That they allow anyone to vote in primaries at all is unique to the United States. It is not a surprise that most states still choose to close their doors to those not directly affiliated with the party. The election is the only part of the process that has to be truly Democratic. At the primary level, their is a vested interest in allowing only party affiliates to vote for the ultimate candidate as the party wants to make sure the person with the most support among their own voters will be the one running. If people who are going to vote for the other party regardless are allowed to vote in their primary, then they are allowing the strength of their candidacy to be undermined before the actual election has even begun. |
I agree with some of what you say but the two parties have way too much control for the relative small number of voters eiither really has. Assume 25% of each party are realy independent. Add that to the existing independents and you have many people with a limited voice. Many registered voters many actually prefer a canaidate not prefered by either party but may not be able top vote for that person. The existing set up favors the two existing parties and they both have control of too much money. I believe opening up the process may lead to more moderate canidates since they must reach all voters not just a "base" fringe group. |
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But the race is open to other candidates. They just run without party affiliation. If a third party candidate can muster just 5% of the vote in a Presidential election, then they are eligible for federal funding and will be included in debates the following election. That's all it takes. Independents make up far more than 5% as it is, yet no third party candidate has managed to achieve this since the law was put into place. And its not because people don't know. Names like Ralph Nader are household. States that don't put them on the ballot still have write-in boxes. But the third option never gets attention. That should tell you something about the psyche of the American voter: three choices is too confusing. Just give us someone we like and someone we don't. Voters want it that way. They need an ally and an enemy and a third option doesn't compute.
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