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Because back then, it was okay to raise moron children who didn't know chit about the world when they grew up. After seeing the result (you), we now have higher standards.
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"Tell me how my dad, an unskilled laborer, managed to have three bank accounts, bought two houses, and bought undeveloped land, while raising a family of four children???? DURING THE DEPRESSION, without welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, medicaid, S.S., MEDICARE, and all the other GOBMINT "HANDOUTS"...
To hear more of the "Fascinating Life of The Fabulous Phonies" tune in to the Biography Channel tonight at 9..
Followed at 10 by the chilling documentary "Who is The Real Pap/George"
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | Because back then, it was okay to raise moron children who didn't know chit about the world when they grew up. After seeing the result (you), we now have higher standards. |
Yes, those "higher standards" brought us, higher murder rates, teenage pregnancies, kids shooting kids, high divorce rates, among other "higher standard goodies"...
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| freethinker wrote: | "Tell me how my dad, an unskilled laborer, managed to have three bank accounts, bought two houses, and bought undeveloped land, while raising a family of four children???? DURING THE DEPRESSION, without welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, medicaid, S.S., MEDICARE, and all the other GOBMINT "HANDOUTS"...
To hear more of the "Fascinating Life of The Fabulous Phonies" tune in to the Biography Channel tonight at 9..
Followed at 10 by the chilling documentary "Who is The Real Pap/George" |
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| ellipses wrote: | I'm positive that the margin isn't that high... However, this conversation will eventually bring us full circle back to the discrepancy and gap between rank and file workers and executive compensation... and from there, we can go to social change in our consumer culture.
Since we've all talked about the former (income disparity between upper management and rank/file workers) why don't we start in on the second one?
Is it possible that the recent economic trials we've faced will re-orient America's consumer culture to place a higher value on quality, place of origin, and actual value as opposed to simply wanting as much cheap chit as possible?
We can use fast food as a focal point of discussion if you want... we spend a smaller percentage of our money on food than most other industrialized nations. We are fatter and in poorer health as a result. The poor eat a disproportionately high amount of fast food than the wealthy in our country because of policies that have driven down the price of crap food. We subsidize corn production to the point that if you make garbage food out of corn (soft drinks, corn-fed beef), you can sell it for a few bucks and give free refills and still make money.
With our current focus on the health of our nation (specifically, the price of bad health) and a distinct and noticeable trend toward not buying so much worthless crap as well as buying higher quality food products... are we moving back to an economy that produces more localized, higher quality products that cost more money, are more durable, and have a higher opportunity cost (if you buy this, then you can't buy that, that, and that over there) than in the past? And is that a good thing or a bad thing?
I think that it is a good thing. |
I agree that food is too cheap and that we import too much food. However, if we raise food prices most here will scream that its hurts the poor the most, so I don't see that happening.
In an earlier post I did mention that it would not hurt many people to go to bed a little hungrey sometimes, it might cut down the obesity rates.
I will note that real food is still cheaper that crap fast food even today but many people won't cook so fast food it is. It seems no matter waht we try someone will yell class warfare.
As to high wages for executives, I have also said earlier in another post that they are out of line. But at the same time atheletes salaries are also way out of line but we see no issue with that.
Another wage question, look at what union executives get paid compared to those the claim to represent. |
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| phonyfeminazi wrote: | | Yes, those "higher standards" brought us, higher murder rates, teenage pregnancies, kids shooting kids, high divorce rates, among other "higher standard goodies"... |
That's because we haven't reached those standards yet. People like you keep standing in the way, claiming they are unnecessary. The results speak for themselves.
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George, your suggestion that good food is cheaper than "crap fast food" is totally off base. And there's a great difference between CEOs and pro athletes. The CEO is the leader of a corporation. The athletes are essentially independent contractors with very short careers who are trying to get what they can from the multi-millionaires and billionaires who own the teams.
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| pap wrote: | | I will note that real food is still cheaper that crap fast food even today but many people won't cook so fast food it is. |
Wow, I can't believe you said this. Brant responded and I thought surely he misread what you said, but I went back to check and you actually typed this. Of all the things you have said on here, this is by far the most delusional. Either somebody buys your groceries for you or you haven't set foot in a McDonald's for 30 years.
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Yeah, it's just another case of Pap/George creating his own reality, one that doesn't exist anywhere in the real world.
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"I will note that real food is still cheaper that crap fast food"
Pap,
I just did a research paper that proved, using 'real' food - grilled chicken salad, baked fish sandwich and veggie pizza - and factoring in car trips to different stores, cooking fuel, wash water, personal time, and waste, unless you're cooking for 5 or more people everyday and have access to free labor;i.e. amom,
it's actually cheaper to buy these items at a fast-food place....
Also, you can't compare athletes to executives -- when the athlete's talent fades, his body is wrecked, and there is no-one going to bail him out
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| freethinker wrote: | ... and have access to free labor;i.e. amom,
it's actually cheaper to buy these items at a fast-food place....
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| phonyfeminazi wrote: | | Cylinsier wrote: | | Because back then, it was okay to raise moron children who didn't know chit about the world when they grew up. After seeing the result (you), we now have higher standards. |
Yes, those "higher standards" brought us, higher murder rates, teenage pregnancies, kids shooting kids, high divorce rates, among other "higher standard goodies"... |
As usual, Phony ignores actual facts. I disproved his claim about higher rates of "kids shooting kids" about a month or two ago, but the poor old dear's memory doesn't go much farther back than a couple of hours. So, how about murder rates? Check out this pdf, on pages 6 and 7, where the US murder rate is charted from 1900 - 1998. It belies Phony's nostalgia about the good old days.
Or, you could check out this one, from the FBI, which shows that violent and property crime rates have coninued to pretty steadily decline since 1988. But "Chicken Little" Phony would rather live in the fear-based delusional world that media yahoos like Savage, Beck, et.al. falsely tell him is out there.
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| Amphikalein wrote: | | phonyfeminazi wrote: | | Cylinsier wrote: | | Because back then, it was okay to raise moron children who didn't know chit about the world when they grew up. After seeing the result (you), we now have higher standards. |
Yes, those "higher standards" brought us, higher murder rates, teenage pregnancies, kids shooting kids, high divorce rates, among other "higher standard goodies"... |
As usual, Phony ignores actual facts. I disproved his claim about higher rates of "kids shooting kids" about a month or two ago, but the poor old dear's memory doesn't go much farther back than a couple of hours. So, how about murder rates? Check out this pdf, on pages 6 and 7, where the US murder rate is charted from 1900 - 1998. It belies Phony's nostalgia about the good old days.
Or, you could check out this one, from the FBI, which shows that violent and property crime rates have coninued to pretty steadily decline since 1988. But "Chicken Little" Phony would rather live in the fear-based delusional world that media yahoos like Savage, Beck, et.al. falsely tell him is out there. |
Amphy, you forgot the other LIBCHIT excuse of "media coverage"....you forgot????
You know, the media didn't cover the majority of crime back then....
I lived that era, and there was little crime to speak of......we, as kids, could walk the whole town of Canonsburg, at night, without fear of some pervert attacking us......
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Not true, but whatever you have to believe to remain willfully ignorant.
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"we, as kids, could walk the whole town of Canonsburg, at night, without fear of some pervert attacking us......"
maybe you were the pervert, and that's why you weren't afraid....maybe your father was a boot-legging bank robber and that's why he needed 3 separate bank accounts during a depression....and maybe your family saved money by feeding you nothing but paint chips
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