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Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

Not the tank, moron, the Tanakh. The Jewish bible. And I am telling you, its not in there. As usual, you are either lying or stupid. If you want to convince me the Jews wrote about Jesus coming, you show me the passage in the Tanakh that proves it. Otherwise, admit that you have been proven wrong again.
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freethinker · Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:02 pm Post subject:

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; (Deuteronomy 18:15)

Going far out on a limb here...Prefer to leave OT to Amphy..And am not sure the Tanakh is the same as the Torah, which is the Pentasomething, the first five books of the Bible, and includes Deuteronomy. And depending on whom you want to believe, the words for prophet, anointed one, and Messiah, seem to be interchangeable
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Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

The Torah/Pentateuch are the books of Moses and make up part of (but not all of) the Tanakh. The other parts of the Tanakh are the Nevi'im and Ketuvim.

As your quote shows, the last book of the Torah predicts only that a prophet will lead the people. This could just as easily be a prediction of the arrival of Muhammed or of someone who hasn't appeared yet. Nowhere does the name "Jesus" appear, nor is there any mention of this prophet, messiah or not, being god or the son of god.
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freethinker · Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:38 pm Post subject:

Of course you won't find the name Jesus until about 5 or 6 hundred years ago, as the letter J did not exist in biblical times.
I take the short phrase, "Like unto me," to be an implicit reference to being God-like. And generally speaking, how would they know his name, before he was born?
Of course you're right, "saving" is not mentioned, but again implied by the words "hearken unto him.."

( amphy...hurry up come help me, I'm outta my element..)
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Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

But god has claimed that all are created in his image. This is the more likely correct interpretation of "liken unto him." God is saying that this prophet will be a man like any other. The Jewish name for Jesus is Yeshua, by the way, but again the Jews recognize that Jesus existed, probably as a rabbi, just not that he was the son of god or that he ever claimed to be. Its not just so much that they didn't mention his name before he was born as they didn't predict the coming of the messiah before he was born. Strictly speaking, the modern interpretation is that a messianic age will be ushered in, but that the person that does so will just be a normal human being. And this is the biggest reason why Jews say Jesus was not the son of god; we had no messianic age. The "second coming" aspect is entirely fabricated by Christianity.
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freethinker · Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:55 pm Post subject:

Great, I ask God for help from a genius...and he sends Phony
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freethinker · Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:21 pm Post subject:

Right again, Cy...The second coming is not mentioned in the Pentateuch, but your original position.... was that the Torah did not mention the arrival of a Messiah.
You defend modern interpretation, while I defend traditional...
We can parse all day long, but the Lord said, "Like unto me," and does not say, like unto THEE, and, "that thee, shall harken". Why not use 'thee' all three times.?
Clearly, your position that the Torah (Tanakh) did not predict the coming of a prophet to lead the Jews, is not unassailable. Whether he's been here or not, is anyone's guess...

(I say Messiah, you say Meshugenah ...)
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freethinker · Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:30 pm Post subject:

(Shoot, I screwed that up...I meant to say "ye harken" And "thee" the first 3 times..? I don't know how to edit a posted post)
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Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

An age of peace. Basically, far from what actually happened.
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