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busdriver
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | Phony---As Christians, we are asked to have faith. Faith is a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. So trying to convince others of the existence of God & that Jesus is God, is futile. You either have faith or you don't... |
Well put, Ondi. It is ok to have faith of this nature, yet people vehemitly belittle those who do.
But have no fear of placing ,literally, blind faith or trust, in their broker, banker, baker, and Toyota Car maker.  |
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| busdriver wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | Phony---As Christians, we are asked to have faith. Faith is a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. So trying to convince others of the existence of God & that Jesus is God, is futile. You either have faith or you don't... |
Well put, Ondi. It is ok to have faith of this nature, yet people vehemitly belittle those who do.
But have no fear of placing ,literally, blind faith or trust, in their broker, banker, baker, and Toyota Car maker. |
Yes, Ana, for once, broke with her LIBCHIT allies, and stated the TRUTH..
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| phonyfeminazi wrote: | [quote="busdriver
Yes, Ana, for once, broke with her LIBCHIT allies, and stated the TRUTH..[/b] |
???, she posted her opinion, don't see any thing like ,"breaking away" or "Lib like " rhetoric. |
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| phonyfeminazi wrote: | | So, you're still awaiting His arrival??? |
Jews don't really await the arrival of the messiah. They just live their lives as good as they can, trying to be good people. But the messiah has not come yet.
| busdriver wrote: | But He sits at the right hand side of the Father in Heaven.
| Quote: | He ascended to Heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead. |
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your quote is based on scripture written well after the death of Jesus. It is no more reliable than a tabloid headline on the National Enquirer. If I wrote that a Banana with googly eyes sits by god in heaven, you would call me crazy. But if I had written 1800 years ago, would you still?
| phonyfeminazi wrote: | | Bus, do you think that Abomb! knows that the Jews wrote about Jesus in the Old Testament and that He was a Jew, coming to save the Jews??? |
This is not a true statement. Please provide me with your reference to this in the Tanakh.
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At least Jesus, according to the Gospels, knew the Scriptures. All Phony seems to know to do with the Bible is try to beat people over the head with his interpretation of it.
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Phony, you are right that Genesis presents a lot of historical facts, and Brant is right that it is not a historical textbook. . ..
Lately I’ve been reading a Good Book telling of Gods building the earth and breathing life into clay to make man and then killing off his creation with many days and nights of rain. …Mankind died, except for one man, who with God’s inspiration, built a big boat and filled it with animals. When the flood receded, the man sent out a dove to search for land…..Later, we hear of Gods sleeping with a human woman who has a child with magical powers…
The sacred text was unearthed in Babylon, just a stone’s throw from Jerusalem…It’s called the Epic of Gilgamesh, and predates the Book of Moses by many hundreds of years….
These books lack proof of divine intervention, so they remain open to interpretation, allowing atheists the freedom to reject it all, and offer believers the freedom to accept the underlying message…..
Me, I like freedom
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| freethinker wrote: | Phony, you are right that Genesis presents a lot of historical facts, and Brant is right that it is not a historical textbook. . ..
Lately I’ve been reading a Good Book telling of Gods building the earth and breathing life into clay to make man and then killing off his creation with many days and nights of rain. …Mankind died, except for one man, who with God’s inspiration, built a big boat and filled it with animals. When the flood receded, the man sent out a dove to search for land…..Later, we hear of Gods sleeping with a human woman who has a child with magical powers…
The sacred text was unearthed in Babylon, just a stone’s throw from Jerusalem…It’s called the Epic of Gilgamesh, and predates the Book of Moses by many hundreds of years….
These books lack proof of divine intervention, so they remain open to interpretation, allowing atheists the freedom to reject it all, and offer believers the freedom to accept the underlying message…..
Me, I like freedom |
The beauty of all this, Free, is that you believe what you want, and I believe what I want....
And if O'sama has his way, this type of discussion will be outlawed.
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Those danged Muslims !!
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | phonyfeminazi wrote: | | So, you're still awaiting His arrival??? |
Jews don't really await the arrival of the messiah. They just live their lives as good as they can, trying to be good people. But the messiah has not come yet.
| busdriver wrote: | But He sits at the right hand side of the Father in Heaven.
| Quote: | He ascended to Heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead. |
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your quote is based on scripture written well after the death of Jesus. It is no more reliable than a tabloid headline on the National Enquirer. If I wrote that a Banana with googly eyes sits by god in heaven, you would call me crazy. But if I had written 1800 years ago, would you still?
| phonyfeminazi wrote: | | Bus, do you think that Abomb! knows that the Jews wrote about Jesus in the Old Testament and that He was a Jew, coming to save the Jews??? |
This is not a true statement. Please provide me with your reference to this in the Tanakh. |
Phoney, do not disparage those of the Jewish faith. Jesus was a Jew. Cy is in training to learn more of the Jewish faith and that is a good thing.
Cy, actually that came from "The Apostles Creed" and I don't know if it was written 1800 years ago.
Religion is a fun topic here, we get thought or opinions that range from zealot fanatics to the cast and crew of the "Jersy Shore People" 
As for me, I will adhere to the wisdom of ONDI, "faith is a personal issue" |
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| busdriver wrote: | | Cy, actually that came from "The Apostles Creed" and I don't know if it was written 1800 years ago. |
It was written before 400 CE and as early as 180 CE and was loosely based on a bit of Matthew.
| busdriver wrote: | | As for me, I will adhere to the wisdom of ONDI, "faith is a personal issue" |
I wish more people thought that way. Proselytizing is so annoying.
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | busdriver wrote: | | Cy, actually that came from "The Apostles Creed" and I don't know if it was written 1800 years ago. |
It was written before 400 CE and as early as 180 CE and was loosely based on a bit of Matthew.
| busdriver wrote: | | As for me, I will adhere to the wisdom of ONDI, "faith is a personal issue" |
I wish more people thought that way. Proselytizing is so annoying. |
had to look it up, thought for a second you thougt I had a wooden leg.
Definition: Proselytizing
try to convert somebody: to try to convert somebody to a religious faith or political doctrine |
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Good one, Bus. You're keeping it rolling
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Thanks, Bus...
Phony--my position hasn't changed. This is what I have been saying all along. And how is Obama trying to outlaw this type of discussions?
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | phonyfeminazi wrote: | | So, you're still awaiting His arrival??? |
Jews don't really await the arrival of the messiah. They just live their lives as good as they can, trying to be good people. But the messiah has not come yet.
| busdriver wrote: | But He sits at the right hand side of the Father in Heaven.
| Quote: | He ascended to Heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead. |
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your quote is based on scripture written well after the death of Jesus. It is no more reliable than a tabloid headline on the National Enquirer. If I wrote that a Banana with googly eyes sits by god in heaven, you would call me crazy. But if I had written 1800 years ago, would you still?
| phonyfeminazi wrote: | | Bus, do you think that Abomb! knows that the Jews wrote about Jesus in the Old Testament and that He was a Jew, coming to save the Jews??? |
This is not a true statement. Please provide me with your reference to this in the Tanakh. |
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Aw, Abomb!, you're always in the "tanka"......
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Please tell me where to find the passage that talks about Jesus saving the Jews in the Tanakh.
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