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OndinitaAKALibchit
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 Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:06 pm Post subject: O...M...G!!!!! I actually almost AGREE with Glenn Beck! |
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Glenn Beck must be really scared now that he has almost no sponsors for his show in the UK & some here in the US dropped him last year. He actually denounced the actions of the guy that crashed the plane into the IRS building in Austin:
| Quote: | | We have no idea what this man’s ideology was…he could be from the left, he hates capitalism, he has an anti-business creed that goes on and on. It sounds like anything you could hear in a speech from Van Jones. When you read his anti-tax ravings and his anti-tax or IRS stuff it sounds like you could be reading bumper stickers off the cars or the signs of the Tea Party. We have no idea. But here’s the point. I have no idea if he’s left or right. Is he a communist or a radical constitutionalist. Here’s the point: it doesn’t matter. The guy is a killer. |
He also spoke out against....wait for it...the Tea Party! He said,
| Quote: | | Get away from anybody who’s calling for a revolution…whether it’s a Tea Party revolution or a communist one. |
WOW!!! I guess Beck doesn't want to end up like Dobbs!
http://www.mediaite.com/online/glenn-beck-responds-to-austin-plane-crash-god-doesnt-send-killers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20mediaite/ClHj%20(Mediaite)
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LOL. He basically started the tea party movement with his project 9/12 crap.
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OndinitaAKALibchit
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I guess money talks! 
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Since Ondi mentioned Beck's 'opinion' on the Austin IRS attack, here's a take on the the media reports about the incident that i find pretty spot on. From Glen Greenwald writing for Salon.com: | Quote: | All of this underscores, yet again, that Terrorism is simultaneously the single most meaningless and most manipulated word in the American political lexicon. The term now has virtually nothing to do with the act itself and everything to do with the identity of the actor, especially his or her religious identity.
It has really come to mean: "a Muslim who fights against or even expresses hostility towards the United States, Israel and their allies." That's why all of this confusion and doubt arose yesterday over whether a person who perpetrated a classic act of Terrorism should, in fact, be called a Terrorist: he's not a Muslim and isn't acting on behalf of standard Muslim grievances against the U.S. or Israel, and thus does not fit the "definition." One might concede that perhaps there's some technical sense in which term might apply to Stack, but as Fox News emphasized: it's not "terrorism in the larger sense that most of us are used to . . . terrorism in that capital T way." We all know who commits terrorism in "that capital T way," and it's not people named Joseph Stack. |
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That's a very good point. You have some jackasses who want us to wipe every Muslim off the face of the Earth while at the same time, they think Timothy McVeigh was some sort of hero.
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| Amphikalein wrote: | Since Ondi mentioned Beck's 'opinion' on the Austin IRS attack, here's a take on the the media reports about the incident that i find pretty spot on. From Glen Greenwald writing for Salon.com: | Quote: | All of this underscores, yet again, that Terrorism is simultaneously the single most meaningless and most manipulated word in the American political lexicon. The term now has virtually nothing to do with the act itself and everything to do with the identity of the actor, especially his or her religious identity.
It has really come to mean: "a Muslim who fights against or even expresses hostility towards the United States, Israel and their allies." That's why all of this confusion and doubt arose yesterday over whether a person who perpetrated a classic act of Terrorism should, in fact, be called a Terrorist: he's not a Muslim and isn't acting on behalf of standard Muslim grievances against the U.S. or Israel, and thus does not fit the "definition." One might concede that perhaps there's some technical sense in which term might apply to Stack, but as Fox News emphasized: it's not "terrorism in the larger sense that most of us are used to . . . terrorism in that capital T way." We all know who commits terrorism in "that capital T way," and it's not people named Joseph Stack. |
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So, in the eyes of LIBCHITS, there is no need for an organization to be behind an "act of terrorism"????
One single nut case, IN LIBCHITLAND, qualifies as an act of terrorism????
You people seem to have an insatiable desire to play "touchy feely" with the muslims.......why is that????
In your hatred towards anyone who is a patriotic, moral, honest, religious person, you idiots chose to align yourselves with the American killers.....I don't understand you freaks.....
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Phony, you need a translator to read English. You obviously don't understand Greenwald's writing.
Since when does someone need to be organized to be a terrorist?
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| dick wrote: | Phony, you need a translator to read English. You obviously don't understand Greenwald's writing.
Since when does someone need to be organized to be a terrorist? |
One single act of lunacy doesn't constitute "terrorism"......
I don't make definitions up.......
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons
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First off, that isn't what I was disputing. You said that you have to belong to an organization to be a terrorist. As if you have to pay your $15 dues. I immediately thought of the unabomber who acted alone. I should have figured that you wouldn't be able to stick to your own point.
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| dick wrote: | | First off, that isn't what I was disputing. You said that you have to belong to an organization to be a terrorist. As if you have to pay your $15 dues. I immediately thought of the unabomber who acted alone. I should have figured that you wouldn't be able to stick to your own point. |
So, one needs to be a dues paying member of a terrorist organization???? Is that how you LIBCHITS define terrorism, one must pay dues?????
Come on, dick, this was a fruitcake, pizzed off because he blamed the IRS for his financial problems.....HE WASN'T A TERRORIST, HE WAS A KILLER, SUBJECT TO THE LAWS OF THE LAND, HAD HE SURVIVED THIS BOMBING.....
You freaking LIBCHITS give REAL TERRORISTS all the rights and privileges according to our law when facing legal action, and you wonderful people immediately "circle the wagons" in a rush to label this nutcase a "terrorist".....
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As Phony would know (but likely never admit) if he'd actually read the Greenwald's article as well as the one by David Neiwert to which Greenwald refers (and linked), Stack's act squarely fits the definition of terrorism:
| Quote: | There are different kinds terrorism, to be certain. There's international terrorism. Then there's domestic terrorism, sometimes conducted by a larger conspiracy, and sometimes conducted by small cells like McVeigh and Terry Nichols, and lone wolves like Eric Rudolph, Scott Roeder and James Von Brunn.
All of these acts fit the FBI's twin definition of terrorism:
| Quote: | Domestic terrorism refers to activities that involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any state; appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States. [18 U.S.C. § 2331(5)]
International terrorism involves violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any state, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or any state. These acts appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping and occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum. |
Joseph Andrew Stack's act this morning fits that definition too. Brian Stelter at the NYT notes that all the networks are treading around the word gingerly. Fox, meanwhile, is running hard and fast with the claim that it wasn't terrorism at all.
Which is funny, for a network that made a big deal about the Obama administration's supposed softness on terrorism. |
i'm coming closer to the conclusion that Phony simply likes to shut his eyes tight, stick his fingers in his ears, and just blather on no matter how unsupportable or patently ridiculous his 'opinions' are. He's the poster child for psychological and political projection, in much the same way that Basically a mouth Breather is the poster child for brain damage.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Amphikalein wrote: | Since Ondi mentioned Beck's 'opinion' on the Austin IRS attack, here's a take on the the media reports about the incident that i find pretty spot on. From Glen Greenwald writing for Salon.com: | Quote: | All of this underscores, yet again, that Terrorism is simultaneously the single most meaningless and most manipulated word in the American political lexicon. The term now has virtually nothing to do with the act itself and everything to do with the identity of the actor, especially his or her religious identity.
It has really come to mean: "a Muslim who fights against or even expresses hostility towards the United States, Israel and their allies." That's why all of this confusion and doubt arose yesterday over whether a person who perpetrated a classic act of Terrorism should, in fact, be called a Terrorist: he's not a Muslim and isn't acting on behalf of standard Muslim grievances against the U.S. or Israel, and thus does not fit the "definition." One might concede that perhaps there's some technical sense in which term might apply to Stack, but as Fox News emphasized: it's not "terrorism in the larger sense that most of us are used to . . . terrorism in that capital T way." We all know who commits terrorism in "that capital T way," and it's not people named Joseph Stack. |
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The word is more useful if you put a foreign face, religion, or country on it. Makes the Beck's et al, more believeable to the forking ding bats who have become disciples of all the hate mongers who advocate their hatred of Obama, races, religions, etc.
My idea of a terrorist: any one who chooses to knowing harm America or Americans to further their own lives, lifestyle for selfish reasons . |
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OndinitaAKALibchit
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I totally agree, Bus!
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | I totally agree, Bus! |
OK Ondi,
to me everyone who shafted all of those in this housing, banking , heath care rip-offs(up to and including scamming Medicare), caused all of the unemployment for their own greed, all elected and non- elected officials taking bribes out right, or from lobbyists, or who defrauded Americans are terrorists and worse then those we are fighting.
Those we fight let us know they will harm us, the terrorists within, sneak around us like rats . |
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