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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:43 am    Post subject: Town Hall Meetings Reply with quote

We will never get term limits so I think our Reps state and Federal should have to hold town hall meetings to face the voters. That way they would have answer on how they voted and how their going to vote on upcoming legislation. We are supposed to be their bosses but we have no say in their actions. They just do what the he!! they want with no repercussions.

They can't say they don't have time. Thats their job. We should demand it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See, I don't really buy that logic. You control them with your vote; if they aren't doing a good job, then someone else will get voted in. The fact that that isn't regularly the case does not mean the system is broken, just that the people are not using it properly. However, our system is built on the idea of majority rule. Arbitrarily installing term limits as a means of ensuring that old legislators get forced on is like saying, "I think I know what's better for the majority than they do, so I want a rule in place that overrides their wants." If the majority wants to reelect someone, who are you to say they shouldn't? Cast your vote the other way, lose, and deal with it. Next time, get out earlier and try to convince more people to see it your way. That's the foundation of our system.

As for townhall meetings, we saw how those go with the health care thing. I would be all in favor of it if there was some sort of understanding that only mature, levelheaded adults were going to attend and that they were going to be sensible and civil in their support or critique of the congressman there. As long as these townhalls are going to be inundated with teabaggers, I don't think its worth it. Those people do not deserve to be heard from directly, and I'm not saying that based on what their opinions are, but based on how they choose to present them. If they were as strong a voice as they claim to be, they would make the changes they want via election anyway.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like your answer but the system is broke because most voters are so dumb when it comes to whats going on. It is broke.

Beck has to resort to coloring books and props so the dumbo crats can understand what he is talking about . Thats why he is getting so popular.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he's resorting to coloring books and the like so that the people who think like he does can understand what he's saying.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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See, I don't really buy that logic. You control them with your vote; if they aren't doing a good job, then someone else will get voted in. The fact that that isn't regularly the case does not mean the system is broken, just that the people are not using it properly. However, our system is built on the idea of majority rule. Arbitrarily installing term limits as a means of ensuring that old legislators get forced on is like saying, "I think I know what's better for the majority than they do, so I want a rule in place that overrides their wants." If the majority wants to reelect someone, who are you to say they shouldn't? Cast your vote the other way, lose, and deal with it. Next time, get out earlier and try to convince more people to see it your way. That's the foundation of our system.

As for townhall meetings, we saw how those go with the health care thing. I would be all in favor of it if there was some sort of understanding that only mature, levelheaded adults were going to attend and that they were going to be sensible and civil in their support or critique of the congressman there. As long as these townhalls are going to be inundated with teabaggers, I don't think its worth it. Those people do not deserve to be heard from directly, and I'm not saying that based on what their opinions are, but based on how they choose to present them. If they were as strong a voice as they claim to be, they would make the changes they want via election anyway.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dumb farmer wrote:
I like your answer but the system is broke because most voters are so dumb when it comes to whats going on. It is broke.

Beck has to resort to coloring books and props so the dumbo crats can understand what he is talking about . Thats why he is getting so popular.


What he is saying is only popular with the party currently out of power, so that should tell you something.

I agree with you on the system; it is broken because voters are dumb AND also because they tend to be very lazy and aren't willing to do the hard work to see real change. But what I am saying is that you can't legislate for the stupid and lazy. That's not what our country is about. Our country is about everyone having the freedom to choose what they want, no matter how ill-advised and obviously poor that choice is, and seeing the majority's choice being the one made. Yes, that means that if the majority chooses to elect Barney the dinosaur President, then he is President. And we will all suffer for it. But that's the price you pay to live in this country, and while a change to the law might be an improvement in the short term, it is a blow the foundation of our nation and a slap in the face to the constitution.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brant wrote:
I think he's resorting to coloring books and the like so that the people who think like he does can understand what he's saying.



Brant, when people have opinions opposite of yours, do you realize you resort to being as ignorant in your reply as you percieve them to be in their post?

"I think he's resorting to coloring books"

You are way better then that.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dumb farmer wrote:
Beck has to resort to coloring books and props so the dumbo crats can understand what he is talking about . Thats why he is getting so popular.


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I think he's resorting to coloring books and the like so that the people who think like he does can understand what he's saying.


Brant was just responding to the previous post. What's insulting about coloring books? Beck is very into simplistic visual displays; that's not really a matter of opinion nor is it insulting. There is nothing wrong with simplistic visual displays. They are easy to understand and easy to set up.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Beck has to resort to coloring books and props so the dumbo crats can understand what he is talking about .


Bus, the above is what Farmer said about Beck. Note the reference to "dumbo crats" and the ridiculous assertion that Democrats have any interest at all in what that azzhat Beck has to say. How would you like me to respond to that? How bout this, "Oh, Farmer, your brilliance is shining through once again."? Nah. I don't think so.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was a joke about the coloring books. I guess nobody got it because there is some truth to it.

I don't mean that they should pass legislation to force them to hold town meetings. they would never do that. The people should demand it or actively work to get them voted out. Can you find fault in that approach.

We have a right to no what there doing. You guys know the liberals would take a a$$ whipping if they had to face the public. Thats why its not a good idea for you liberals. If you think it would favor your man then whats the problem. Maybe the dead beats are afraid of the teabaggers. You know those redneck militant Christians that carry their guns to in the woods. The ones that like to display their religious symbols in public.
The ones that aren't afraid to call a muslim a terroist when he kills 13 Marines.

Sorry I'm way off the subject. Just speaking my mind.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, it looks like you were speaking your lack of mind, DF.

Our elected officials don't need to be subjected to the scare tactics of the rednecks & teabaggers. Those people don't represent the majority of the constituency...They just happen to be the loudest & the ones that don't have JOBS, so they have the time to go to town hall meetings on a weekday in the middle of the day! Most of us liberals are WORKING!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dumb farmer wrote:
I don't mean that they should pass legislation to force them to hold town meetings. they would never do that. The people should demand it or actively work to get them voted out. Can you find fault in that approach.


No, but its not realistic. When was the last time you saw a voting majority actively working to remove a politician simply because they thought he wasn't doing a good job?

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We have a right to no what there doing. You guys know the liberals would take a a$$ whipping if they had to face the public. Thats why its not a good idea for you liberals. If you think it would favor your man then whats the problem. Maybe the dead beats are afraid of the teabaggers.


Doubtful. People do have a right to know what their elected representation is up to. You know why we don't? Because not enough people hold them to that. I don't know what this has to do with liberals. People should be pressing members of both parties to be more forthcoming. But they don't. That's just the way it is. I'm not against the idea, and neither are most liberals. It would be a bad idea for politicians in both parties, but they frankly haven't been threatened by it yet. No one is going to really take teabagger style town halls seriously because those people behave like morons and are uneducated, and most importantly they are a small minority. The political dead beats aren't afraid of the teabaggers because they don't instill fear. Pity maybe.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People don't take the time to find out what their elected officials are up to, unless they have a particular concern. I try to attend school board meetings and often I'm the only "public" there. I attend all the local government meetings. The meetings overflow if there is a special issue the residents are for or against, but usually it's just the regular crowd that just keeps the officials aware of their interest.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cy a lot of what you say is true but I don't think you know what you're talking about when it comes to Tea Baggers. They are people that are just feed up to the point of speaking there mind. Would you say the same if the same group of people held held a tax and spend rally for Obama care?

I always like to make the liberal comments because I'm just getting back at you guys. I do think you guys are totally nuts when it comes to Osama.
You guys have to know he's destroying the country with his spending.
I know its been going on for fifty years but this is the worst I have ever seen.We will all be in the bread line. That is if there's any bread left.
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Way to go amom. I have no room to talk there.
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