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That would depend on how you define paying income taxes. If you mean people dodge their taxes, then I agree. If you mean people who pay their taxes and then get all of them or more back, then why shouldn't those people get to vote? They only get it back because they are working and paid it in the first place.
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You could be right ana. I don't remember the exact amount that Bush ask for so it would be ready for Obama to pi$$ away. Obama wanted it so Bush ask so he would have it when he took over. My memory is not that good so maybe someone can help me there.
Ellipses I think your wrong but I'll have to trust you until some one tells me what I want to hear.   |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Ellipses I think your wrong but I'll have to trust you until some one tells me what I want to hear. |
This was the greatest thing I've read all day... thank you. 
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OndinitaAKALibchit
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| dumb farmer wrote: | You could be right ana. I don't remember the exact amount that Bush ask for so it would be ready for Obama to pi$$ away. Obama wanted it so Bush ask so he would have it when he took over. My memory is not that good so maybe someone can help me there.
Ellipses I think your wrong but I'll have to trust you until some one tells me what I want to hear. |
I can refresh your memory, Farmer. Bush asked for the bailout money a couple of months before Obama was elected. Also, a lot of the bailout money started being allocated & disbursed before Obama won the election. So again, if cons are not happy about the bailout & the spending, you can start by taking responsibility & blaming yourselves first...
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[quote="OndinitaAKALibchit
I can refresh your memory, Farmer. Bush asked for the bailout money a couple of months before Obama was elected. Also, a lot of the bailout money started being allocated & disbursed before Obama won the election. So again, if cons are not happy about the bailout & the spending, you can start by taking responsibility & blaming yourselves first...[/quote]
Like I said that was the thing that POd me the most about Bush. The Clinton's stole the furniture from the White House and keys off the computers. Bush was just to nice a guy. |
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OndinitaAKALibchit
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Wow, Farmer! You guys really won't take reponsibilty for anything, will ya? What does Clinton have to do with the bailouts or anything that we're discussing?  Bush was not too nice of a guy...The GOP tried to get as much dirt as possible on Clinton to get him impeached...The only thing that you were able to nail him on was for getting some extracurricular action in the Oval office!
If anyone is being too nice it would be Obama...Cheney better be thankful for that bc if some Dems had their way, plenty of people in the Bush admin could end up in a whole lot of trouble!
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Bush showed class when he came into office and when he left office. Thats more than anyone can say about Osama. Bush didn't criticize on his way in or out. He did everything he could to help Obama when he left office. To this day he hasn't said anything negative about Obama.
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Being really nice to the new tenants doesn't mean much when you've already chit all over the carpets and left the pilot light out with the gas still on...
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| By the way ana Bush didn't mention any of Clinton's misdeeds. . |
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OndinitaAKALibchit
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| dumb farmer wrote: | Bush showed class when he came into office and when he left office. Thats more than anyone can say about Osama. Bush didn't criticize on his way in or out. He did everything he could to help Obama when he left office. To this day he hasn't said anything negative about Obama.
This may not have anything to do with what we were discussing but my mind wonders. Stick with me. |
Farmer, hun, I really don't want to contradict you, but I kinda have to bc what you're saying is inaccurate and you seem to have lost touch with reality. Sorry! Bush is not particularly classy and Obama is not a thug...They have both been civilized towards each other, as expected, and they have both denounced the other's policies as political rivals often do. During last year's campaign, even McCain often made negative remarks about some of Bush's decisions and he tried to distance himself from the Bush administration. Obama has only criticized the Bush administration and their policies, not Bush personally. Bush did criticize on his way in and out. He criticized the Clinton administration and their policies during the 2000 campaign. After leaving office, Bush has also criticized the Obama administration's anti-terrorism and economic policies. If you don't believe me, I can provide links...
The "classy" Bush camp even started a smear campaign against McCain that cost him the SC primaries back in 2000. One of the rumors was that McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually his own, illegitimate black child. Again, look it up if you don't believe me!
I've never been a Bush basher. I think he is really funny and not as dumb as he's been portrayed, but not very bright either; I'd say he's of average intelligence. I think that the people that he surrounded himself with, like Cheney and Rove, are very intelligent, but not very good people and they lied to and manipulated Bush to get their own way. That's why the Bush administration is considered such a failure.
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I think you need to provide links to Bush commenting on Obama-I think he has been more than gracious considering all the attacks Obama has laid on him. Cheney has been vocal but Bush has been pretty silent.
There is a great piece in today's OR-on the editorial page-very well written. She says that Obama takes every opportunity to bash Bush then claims to want an end to rancor and partisanship-very good piece to those with open minds.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Bush has been a class act , just like his parents. Why does everyone bring up Cheney? We don't bring up Biden every time O is mentioned! Say what you want to about his policies, the war, but you can't say he hasn't been anything but classy! He didn't make a photo op out of visiting the men wounded at Fort Hood, he didn't step into O's limelight or hold a press conference, he did go because he thought it was the right thing to do. That is probably the single thing that I will always admire about him, he led regardless of poll numbers or protestors he did what he felt was in the best interest of our country. |
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OndinitaAKALibchit
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| SSSS wrote: | I think you need to provide links to Bush commenting on Obama-I think he has been more than gracious considering all the attacks Obama has laid on him. Cheney has been vocal but Bush has been pretty silent.
There is a great piece in today's OR-on the editorial page-very well written. She says that Obama takes every opportunity to bash Bush then claims to want an end to rancor and partisanship-very good piece to those with open minds. |
What I meant by saying that Bush hasn't been particularly classy is not that he hasn't been gracious, but that historically that's the norm...Most former Presidents don't criticize the new administration; some have been critical later on, but not initially.
Bush hasn't openly criticized Obama, but he has warned against the Obama administration policies:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/18/bush-takes-swipes-at-policies-of-obama/
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/18/bush-takes-aim-at-obama-policies/
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| dazes wrote: | | Bush has been a class act , just like his parents. Why does everyone bring up Cheney? We don't bring up Biden every time O is mentioned! Say what you want to about his policies, the war, but you can't say he hasn't been anything but classy! He didn't make a photo op out of visiting the men wounded at Fort Hood, he didn't step into O's limelight or hold a press conference, he did go because he thought it was the right thing to do. That is probably the single thing that I will always admire about him, he led regardless of poll numbers or protestors he did what he felt was in the best interest of our country. |
Love him or hate him, Cheney was more influential than most VP's. According to some, he's "the most influential and powerful man ever to hold the office of vice president". That's why he's always mentioned when we talk about the Bush administration. He also won't stay away from the spotlight. I'm sure that if he went away, we would eventually stop talking about him.
I do agree that Bush always did what he thought was best regardless of public opinion. I also felt bad for him and his family, especially towards the end of his Presidency, when everyone was so angry at him.
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There is a great piece in today's OR-on the editorial page-very well written. |
Is the piece online? I couldn't find it...
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