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OndinitaAKALibchit
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SSSS-I agree also that we should look into Welfare and SSI fraud. I think we're all pretty much in agreement that those programs are designed to help those that can't work, not those who don't want to.
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george
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | george wrote: | | Call mom and dad, move back home for a while. Oh I bet you'll say their dead, call other family members. Just don't sit there an whine. |
Dad's dead, mom's on welfare, which didn't stop A from getting great grades and a college scholarship, mind you. Other family members live far out of state, meaning costly relocation and starting from scratch on the already hopeless job hunt. Person A isn't whining but wondering how you're going to save the day for him since you have all the answers. |
He's an adult, he must now save his own day. He's all grown up and knows all the answers now.
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And if he can't figure it out, to hell with him!
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Apparently not. And guess who's tax dollars are supporting him now?
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george
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | george wrote: | | BullSh1t! It will be more that you realize. Lets cut some social programs to pay for the reform. |
What makes you think it will be more? |
I just heard on the news that they plan being voted on today will tax "cadallic" health plans. Thats any plan now offered by major employers such as coal mines, GM, etc. That will include me. See I told you it would cost me, not save me money.
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| freethinker wrote: | forget you, George...
You didn't respond to my question, and continue telling
people to go get a better job....
Shame on you...
And if you keep crying 'Socialism..'
you might just get it.
Universal Health Insurance is going to happen...
with you or without you...
Please let us find common ground, and
avoid discord...
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What was your question? You stated that there was no widespread abuse of welfare or SSI. There is! The government refuses to deal with the problem. I am not yelling either.
I have several family members who are alcohol and or drug abusers and they got welfare for years until the SSI eligibility rules were eased after the welfare reform under Clinton. They now all get SSI.
My feeling is that if people can't work ( not injured at work) they should not be alowed to have children. Signing up for welfare should require sterilization.
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Two things in regard to that...
First, the overall cost of health insurance is supposed to decrease... so while you may be taxed on your plan... you, as an employee, should demand that if the cost of your plan decreases, you should get those savings.
Second... I wasn't paying attention, but earlier, Kerry said that the taxes on cadillac health plans has no basis in reality. I may have misheard that, or it may have been in reference to something else...
But either way, if the cost of insurance goes down and your taxes go up, you have to measure the difference between the two...
If your plan's price goes down from 15k to 12k, unless the taxes on the 12k = 25%, then you have a net benefit.
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | Apparently not. And guess who's tax dollars are supporting him now? |
Person A apperaed to be single to me, no mention of kids, wife, dog, etc. As a single person he /she should not get welfare. Person A can go to a homeless shelter, or ask his/her church for a little hand up.
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| george wrote: | | freethinker wrote: | forget you, George...
You didn't respond to my question, and continue telling
people to go get a better job....
Shame on you...
And if you keep crying 'Socialism..'
you might just get it.
Universal Health Insurance is going to happen...
with you or without you...
Please let us find common ground, and
avoid discord...
Still your associate,
freethinker |
What was your question? You stated that there was no widespread abuse of welfare or SSI. There is! The government refuses to deal with the problem. I am not yelling either.
I have several family members who are alcohol and or drug abusers and they got welfare for years until the SSI eligibility rules were eased after the welfare reform under Clinton. They now all get SSI.
My feeling is that if people can't work ( not injured at work) they should not be alowed to have children. Signing up for welfare should require sterilization. |
The way you describe it, it sounds like the MAJORITY of people on welfare are abusing the system...
I don't recall the actual percentage of recipients who are fraudulently receiving benefits, but whatever it is, I am sure it would cause some disagreement if it were considered "widespread"
If 5% of recipients are fraudulently receiving benefits, does that count?
10%
30%
At what point does it go from "few and far between" to "widespread?"
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So you don't think people should pay into welfare, but when someone who has paid into welfare suddenly needs it, you also don't think they should take back the money they've been paying into the system?
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| ellipses wrote: | Two things in regard to that...
First, the overall cost of health insurance is supposed to decrease... so while you may be taxed on your plan... you, as an employee, should demand that if the cost of your plan decreases, you should get those savings.
Second... I wasn't paying attention, but earlier, Kerry said that the taxes on cadillac health plans has no basis in reality. I may have misheard that, or it may have been in reference to something else...
But either way, if the cost of insurance goes down and your taxes go up, you have to measure the difference between the two...
If your plan's price goes down from 15k to 12k, unless the taxes on the 12k = 25%, then you have a net benefit. |
The key thought is the cost are "supposed to " go down. I can't demand lower cost on insurance, or a car, or a house. I must pay what the seller wants or I don't get anything.
If the government is so sure the cost will go down put that in the regulations! They won't. Because they know cost won't go down until health care cost go down; and that won't happen because the unions in the hospitals will fight to keep what they have.
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You absolutely can demand a lower cost on all of those things.
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You have a very poor understanding of how this issue is playing out.
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | So you don't think people should pay into welfare, but when someone who has paid into welfare suddenly needs it, you also don't think they should take back the money they've been paying into the system? |
I have never said there should not be welfare. It is needed but should be a short trem limited offer. Good for say 5 -7 years in your lifetime, no more.
It's like unemployement. Its needed but too many people sit on unemployement instead of looking for a job on day one. Its like a vacation. Too many people sit on welfare rather that look for a job. They work very hard to move form welfare to SSI because it pay better and is a lifetime check.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| ellipses wrote: | | You absolutely can demand a lower cost on all of those things. |
I can demand all I want. If the seller refuses, I don't get anything. No one was buying GM cars and they did not greatly reduce the prices. You could not walk in to a GM dealer and demand a 20,000 car for 12,000.
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