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dazes · Professional Joined: 08 May 2009 Posts: 1422

Oh my god Cy what is going on today? You brought that up as something we would say.

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SSSS · Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject:

Did Congress have anything to do with it? Or is just as usual all his fault? Hell he was so busy planning the 911 attacks and whipping up the Katrina hurricaine he probably didn't have time to get to the economic stuff!
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Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

Congress had something to do with it too, but he is not free of blame. He played his part.
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Amphikalein · Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject:

Yes, TetriS, i still think that. Care to post a link to something we both can agree is a reliable source that disproves it?
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SSSS · Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject:

I doubt we would ever agree on a reliable source. And you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Cy-I did not imply that Bush had no blame. But he certainly is not to shoulder the entire blame either.
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Amphikalein · Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject:

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SSSS · Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject:

This is from Newsweek, an obviouisly right leaning publication so probably not all that credible...but I found it interesting and it echoes my feelings so far about Obama

If ubiquity were the measure of a presidency, Barack Obama would already be grinning at us from Mount Rushmore. But of course it is not. Despite his many words and television appearances, our elegant and eloquent president remains more an emblem of change than an agent of it. He's a man with an endless, worthy to-do list—health care, climate change, bank reform, global capital regulation, AfPak, the Middle East, you name it—but, as yet, no boxes checked "done." This is a problem that style will not fix. Unless Obama learns to rely less on charm, rhetoric, and good intentions and more on picking his spots and winning in political combat, he's not going to be reelected, let alone enshrined in South Dakota.

The president's problem isn't that he is too visible; it's the lack of content in what he says when he keeps showing up on the tube. Obama can seem a mite too impressed with his own aura, as if his presence on the stage is the Answer. There is, at times, a self-referential (even self-reverential) tone in his big speeches. They are heavily salted with the words "I" and "my." (He used the former 11 times in the first few paragraphs of his address to the U.N. last week.) Obama is a historic figure, but that is the beginning, not the end, of the story.

There is only so much political mileage that can still be had by his reminding the world that he is not George W. Bush. It was the winning theme of the 2008 campaign, but that race ended nearly a year ago. The ex-president is now more ex than ever, yet the current president, who vowed to look forward, is still reaching back to Bush as bogeyman.
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Brant · Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:04 am Post subject:

That sounds like an editorial -- one person's opinion -- not a news story in the magazine.
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SSSS · Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:54 am Post subject:

I did not post it AS a news story-I just thought it was unusual to read something like that from Newsweek.
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Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

Were you being facetious when you said Newsweek is conservative? I've always thought of it as fairly liberal.
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george · Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:35 am Post subject:

Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

I basically agree with you. I'm all for people having as many kids as they want, but don't have a bunch and then be like, "woe is me, I don't have enough money." That's what happens. However, the problem of the welfare baby makers is on society, not those individuals. We have a responsibility to provide adequate sexual education and contraception to them so that they do not become our burden. An expecting them to simply not have sex is unrealistic.
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