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CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. (AP) — The Marine who built the Guantanamo Bay prison says the U.S. lost the “moral high ground” with its treatment of prisoners and the facility should be closed.
Marine Maj. Gen. Michael Lehnert spoke to reporters Thursday at Camp Pendleton in San Diego County.
Lehnert commands seven West Coast bases and he’s retiring Tuesday. In 2002, he was tasked with building prison cells at the U.S. Navy base in Cuba to hold enemy detainees.
Lehnert says a separate task force ran the interrogation of prisoners. Lehnert disagreed with other officers about the use of harsh methods.
He also says the 200 or so prisoners still there should not be sent to stateside military bases.
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| Brant wrote: | CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. (AP) — The Marine who built the Guantanamo Bay prison says the U.S. lost the “moral high ground” with its treatment of prisoners and the facility should be closed.
Marine Maj. Gen. Michael Lehnert spoke to reporters Thursday at Camp Pendleton in San Diego County.
Lehnert commands seven West Coast bases and he’s retiring Tuesday. In 2002, he was tasked with building prison cells at the U.S. Navy base in Cuba to hold enemy detainees.
Lehnert says a separate task force ran the interrogation of prisoners. Lehnert disagreed with other officers about the use of harsh methods.
He also says the 200 or so prisoners still there should not be sent to stateside military bases. |
Brantski, under the new leadership of Comrade Osama, the guards have been instructed to kiss each prisoner on the lips......daily, to show that we've wronged them, and beg their foregiveness...
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If you want my forgiveness, you best not kiss me on the lips
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| ellipses wrote: | | If you want my forgiveness, you best not kiss me on the lips |
LOL, fear not, my friend......NO DANGER OF THAT HAPPENING.
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and if he wants another star he better KEEP saying it.
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| SSSS wrote: | | and if he wants another star he better KEEP saying it. |
SSSS, what are your thoughts concerning our treatment of the prisoners???
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I have voiced my thoughts in the past. The media, the liberals, and I have an altogether different definition of torture.
Making someone THINK they are drowning is not torture. Taking away ones clothes or quaran is not torture. (Playing rap music might be!)
Sleep deprivation is not tortue.
If we were physically beating them, wiring up their cajones to generators, or such I would have different feelings. But the goal was to gain information to keep America safe. Period. Whatever they did to prevent another attack is OK with me and screw the "moral highground"
The mere words moral highground ring very hollow when they are spoken by Americans who have let every imaginable "moral" thing deteriorate in other facets of our life. When a rap star or an actor is a hero, and no one can name five astronauts; when the leaders of our country fight and argue like kids on a school playground; when people can paraody one of our Presidents in the name of comedy; when I can turn on my TV and hear offensive language and see almost full nudity, one has a lot of nerve talking about the moral highground in questioning terror suspects.
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We also have a different definition of the word "moral."
I don't think nudity is immoral... for instance.
| Quote: | Torture, according to the United Nations Convention Against Torture, is:
...any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in, or incidental to, lawful sanctions.
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That said, I don't agree with you that it matters WHO says that torture damages our moral high ground... If a serial rapist, murderer, drug addict tells you that it's bad to stomp puppies to death... does the fact that he's the scum of the earth make it any less wrong to stomp puppies to death?
There are countries that are WAY more liberal than we are... that Bin Laden doesn't mention on his bi-annual tapes. I doubt that our biggest problem is boobs on tv, bad language in music, or not knowing who are astronauts are.
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| Just curious E , what do you think when these men on a mission throw feces at the guards? Torture is a relative term, if I locked you in a room and played Barry Manilow 24/7, the best of Rev. Fawell,Enerst Angly, Jimmy Swaggart tapes you'd be crying like a baby trying to spit out everything you know or thought you knew. Lock me in a room with Michael Moore movies and Sandra Berhartd"s stand up act and I'll confess to being the Green River Killer! |
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Doesn't that kinda invalidate the claim that torture produces good information?
If they throw feces at the guards, put up a screen...
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| SSSS wrote: | | The mere words moral highground ring very hollow when they are spoken by Americans who have let every imaginable "moral" thing deteriorate in other facets of our life. When a rap star or an actor is a hero, and no one can name five astronauts; when the leaders of our country fight and argue like kids on a school playground; when people can paraody one of our Presidents in the name of comedy; when I can turn on my TV and hear offensive language and see almost full nudity, one has a lot of nerve talking about the moral highground in questioning terror suspects. |
People have been parodying the leaders of countries since we've had leaders of countries. I think that's probably healthy. As for the nudity and language, probably one of the biggest problems with America as a culture is the unexplained aversion to those two things. There are those who consider hunting, for food or sport, to be among the worst moral offenses. What makes them wrong and you right?
| dazes wrote: | | Just curious E , what do you think when these men on a mission throw feces at the guards? Torture is a relative term, if I locked you in a room and played Barry Manilow 24/7, the best of Rev. Fawell,Enerst Angly, Jimmy Swaggart tapes you'd be crying like a baby trying to spit out everything you know or thought you knew. Lock me in a room with Michael Moore movies and Sandra Berhartd"s stand up act and I'll confess to being the Green River Killer! |
Probably one of the best arguments against torture I've ever heard.
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| My point was that torture is kind of a relative term. I was being sarcastic. Yes I know that the info gained through torture can be suspect, but I can't say that I am against it. |
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Okay, fair enough.
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| SSSS wrote: | I have voiced my thoughts in the past. The media, the liberals, and I have an altogether different definition of torture.
Making someone THINK they are drowning is not torture. Taking away ones clothes or quaran is not torture. (Playing rap music might be!)
Sleep deprivation is not tortue.
If we were physically beating them, wiring up their cajones to generators, or such I would have different feelings. But the goal was to gain information to keep America safe. Period. Whatever they did to prevent another attack is OK with me and screw the "moral highground"
The mere words moral highground ring very hollow when they are spoken by Americans who have let every imaginable "moral" thing deteriorate in other facets of our life. When a rap star or an actor is a hero, and no one can name five astronauts; when the leaders of our country fight and argue like kids on a school playground; when people can paraody one of our Presidents in the name of comedy; when I can turn on my TV and hear offensive language and see almost full nudity, one has a lot of nerve talking about the moral highground in questioning terror suspects. |
SSSS, I take back every accusation that I've made stating that you are a McCain Litchit......I apologize, sir, and beg your foregiveness....
You are truly a genuine American...
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