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[Cylinsier]

Well, they told us up front it won't start until 2014. If anyone comes around in 2012 and asks why it hasn't started, they are a moron.


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[Brant]

Do you really think anyone is going to be OK with seeing no benefits from this glorious legislation for four years? Good luck with that. And I sure don't remember the Dems or Obama trumpeting this delayed gratification to an electorate that wants to see results yesterday. And here's the beginning of an AP story from yesterday that very clearly makes my point:

By Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Associated Press Writer , On Wednesday December 23, 2009, 6:55 am EST
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The costs of health care reform being pushed through Congress by Democrats will be felt long before the benefits.
Proposed taxes and fees on upper-income earners, insurers, even tanning parlors, take effect quickly. So would Medicare cuts.
Benefits, such as subsidies for lower middle-income households, consumer protections for all, and eliminating the prescription coverage gap for seniors, come gradually.
"There's going to be an expectations gap, no question about that," said Drew Altman, president of the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. "People are going to see their premiums and out-of-pocket costs go up before the tangible benefits kick in."
Most of the 30 million uninsured helped by the bill won't get coverage until 2013 at the earliest, well after the next presidential election.
More than two-thirds of Americans get their coverage through large employer plans and their premiums won't go up because of the legislation, according to number crunchers at the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.
But Congress can't abolish medical inflation, so don't hold your breath waiting for premiums to drop.
For people who buy their own insurance policies -- about one of every six Americans -- premiums will go up.
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[freethinker]

I'm with Brant...Obama should veto this pork pie watered down piece of leg-up-islation. Come on !! Progressives have been fighting for universal health coverage since the Bull Moose party...that's about a hundred years worth of arguing, and still nothing will change
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The republicans always attack it by labeling it socialism...In the early 60's, Reagan attacked JFK's health plan as socialism...you now know Kennedy's health plan by the more familiar name of Medicare...He settled for half a solution...And Here we still are
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Ya know, if people keep calling you qweer long enough, you might just one day be tempted to smoke a hard one....
Bad analogy, for sure...but socialism is looking better every day
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[SSSS]

I am sitting back reading all this and realize just how funny some of you can be. Here are some points I pick up.
1. It is a good thing to pass something, anything, as long as the Dems can say "WE DID IT !!!
2. If the bill passes and works, the Dems did it all by themselves.
3. If it does not pass, it is the fault of the minority party and NOT because it sucks as legislation or that the Dems could not get everyone in thier own party to drink the Kool Aid.
4. If a Republican disagrees with a Democrat, then the Republican is lying.
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[busdriver]

[quote="freethinker"]I'm with Brant...Obama should veto this pork pie watered down piece of leg-up-islation.

That will happen Free, just as soon as hell freezes over. Obama wants to be the "Man" who got it (matters not how) when all of those you mention tried and have failed.

[SSSS]

absolutely correct driver. It does not matter if it is a GOOD bill just as long as they get it passed.
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SSSS- define a "good bill"

I have an idea of what a good bill would be... but 40 senators with an "R" after their name, 1 with an "I" after his name, and 2 or 3 with a "D" after their names would NEVER let it pass.
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[SSSS]

yes E-but just because they disagree with you does not mean they are wrong.
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[SSSS]

LOL-I hit submit too soon. To answer your question, a "good" bill would be easy to understand, mimimize the amount of government agencies that are needed to administer it, reform the out of control tort system, and provide for more competition between drug makers.
Oh-and it would actually be READ by the people voting on it!
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[OndinitaAKALibchit]

SSSS-They're not wrong bc they disagree with us. They're wrong bc they don't want anything done about our messed up healthcare system. A few months ago, I heard a GOP Rep (can't remember which one) say on the Bill Mahr show that his solution for our healthcare system was to allow everyone to buy into Medicare. I thought it was an excellent idea! The Dems tried to do just that and not one of the Reps voted in favor of it!
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