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 Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:46 pm Post subject: Senate support for Public Option up to 30 |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-green/senate-avalanche-for-the_b_480234.html
| Quote: | In the wake of last week's "bipartisan summit" -- which proved that no Republicans in Congress will vote for health care reform -- an avalanche of Democratic senators are announcing today that they will vote YES for the public health insurance option if it is brought up in "reconciliation."
Senators Dick Durbin (D-IL), Patty Murray (D-WA), Jeff Bingaman (D-NM), Ben Cardin (D-MD), and Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) are the latest to announce their support, raising the number of senators on record from 0 to 30 in under 2 weeks.
The below statements were released to the Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC), Democracy for America, and Credo Action -- three groups who have been organizing thousands of Americans daily on this issue and who gathered over 200,000 signatures on a petition telling Congress that Americans want a good bill with a public option over a "bipartisan" bill without one. A tally of senators supporting the public option in reconciliation is at WhipCongress.com. |
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That's fine, as far as it goes. But it's a long slog to get from 30 to 51.
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Yeah, but elections are looming. There are certain Senators who are looking at a pink slip if they don't hop on board. For all the bitching and moaning from the vocal right about how our nation will be destroyed by a reconciliation vote on health care, I think there are enough Senators who know its that or pack up.
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I don't think there's a chance in hell that the final bill will have a public option. It would be nice, but I don't see it happening.
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| Brant wrote: | | I don't think there's a chance in hell that the final bill will have a public option. It would be nice, but I don't see it happening. |
if this bill doesn't get through by Reconciliation, you can buy an outhouse in Westland, Pa and have a century's worth of toilet paper on hand just from this bill alone, cause it is as dead as my buddy phoney's manhood probably is. |
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I don't think they will go through the political wringer of reconciliation without a public option.
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What issues would need reconciled, aside from a public option?
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They might try to reconcile it, but the author of the post on Huffington isn't some detached observer. He's pushing his group's agenda. And his claim of an "avalanche" of new support is ridiculous. The people he's counting among the 30, at least the huge majority of them, always would have supported a public option, had it come to a vote in the Senate. And as for senators who think they might get their ass handed to them if they DON'T vote for a public-option health-care measure, there are just as many who would rightfully believe that their political careers would be over if they DO vote for such a measure.
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| Brant wrote: | | There are just as many who would rightfully believe that their political careers would be over if they DO vote for such a measure. |
There are 57 democrats. I don't think a single one of them would lose an election for voting for the public option. There are a few who are probably going to lose regardless of what they do, and there are a few who would definitely lose if they have a chance to vote for the PO and don't.
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I think you underestimate the ability of Republicans to go out on the campaign trail and say something to the effect of "the Democrats passed this health-care bill in the dead of night, the public option is going to cost 600 gazillion dollars, and now the gubmint is involved in your health care." It doesn't have to be true to resonate with stupid voters, and there are millions of them. I'm not arguing against the public option. I'd be delighted if it were approved. And I'd love for the Democrats to tell the just-say-no Republicans to stuff it where the sun doesn't shine. But as we've seen, getting the Democrats to act in unity is like herding cats. I'll hope for the best, but I wouldn't be surprised by failure.
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | Brant wrote: | | There are just as many who would rightfully believe that their political careers would be over if they DO vote for such a measure. |
There are 57 democrats. I don't think a single one of them would lose an election for voting for the public option. There are a few who are probably going to lose regardless of what they do, and there are a few who would definitely lose if they have a chance to vote for the PO and don't. |
You are assuming there are 51 people out of 57( 58, Voinavich R-Ohio probably will vote for it) who won't hijack something for themselves out of it( and what an opportunity, cause it is now or never for this thing) |
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| Brant wrote: | | I think you underestimate the ability of Republicans to go out on the campaign trail and say something to the effect of "the Democrats passed this health-care bill in the dead of night, the public option is going to cost 600 gazillion dollars, and now the gubmint is involved in your health care." |
They're going to say that no matter what gets passed.
| Brant wrote: | | But as we've seen, getting the Democrats to act in unity is like herding cats. I'll hope for the best, but I wouldn't be surprised by failure. |
You are right about that. However, I'm not in a good enough mood today to allow myself to be anything less that optimistic about this.
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There's nothing wrong with optimism, and if it were me, I'd do whatever is necessary to get a public option approved, because the Republicans, when they were in control, damn well would have done anything necessary to get their agenda, like tax cuts for the rich, pushed through.
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | Brant wrote: | | I think you underestimate the ability of Republicans to go out on the campaign trail and say something to the effect of "the Democrats passed this health-care bill in the dead of night, the public option is going to cost 600 gazillion dollars, and now the gubmint is involved in your health care." |
They're going to say that no matter what gets passed.
| Brant wrote: | | But as we've seen, getting the Democrats to act in unity is like herding cats. I'll hope for the best, but I wouldn't be surprised by failure. |
You are right about that. However, I'm not in a good enough mood today to allow myself to be anything less that optimistic about this. |
Hope you are optimistic enough to believe there are about 53-55 democrats willing to vote for this out of patriotism and guts. |
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| Brant wrote: | | There's nothing wrong with optimism, and if it were me, I'd do whatever is necessary to get a public option approved, because the Republicans, when they were in control, damn well would have done anything necessary to get their agenda, like tax cuts for the rich, pushed through. |
A Nuclear History
According to a Congressional Research Service report on reconciliation, the process actually has been used 19 times since 1981.
It took six years from its introduction in the 1974 Congressional Budget Act before reconciliation made its legislative debut in the Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1980. Only two years later, as part of the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act, reconciliation was used to open Medicare to HMOs.
In fact, health care reform and the reconciliation process share an intertwined history:
In 1986, the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act prevented hospitals from discarding emergency room patients because they weren't able to pay for treatment and allowed people who'd lost their jobs to maintain their health coverage.
In 1987, reconciliation was used to institute a no-fault vaccine injury compensation program.
In total, no less than nine reconciliation acts since 1981 have involved some form of health care reform.
More recently, reconciliation was used by Democrats to pass pay-as-you-go legislation in 1990 and raise corporate taxes in 1993.
Republicans recently used reconciliation to push through three large tax cuts -- the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001, the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 and the Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005.
In total, 14 of the 22 total reconciliation bills -- including three presidentially vetoed pieces of legislation -- were initiated by a Republican-controlled Congress.
"They should stop crying about reconciliation as if it's never been done before," Sen. Reid said on Tuesday. "It's done almost every Congress, and they're the ones that used it more than anyone else." |
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