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 Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: Democrats place new roadblock to health care bill |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul;_ylt=AtAqR1VML.rQ74AdUWVFECas0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNuZGI0ZjBuBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMTI2L3VzX2hlYWx0aF9jYXJlX292ZXJoYXVsBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMgRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDZGVtb2NyYXRzcGxh
| Quote: | WASHINGTON – Two centrist senators Tuesday threw up a roadblock to salvaging President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, as Democrats agonized over whether to push forward or shift to idle until political resistance subsides.
Sens. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark. — both face re-election this year in Republican-leaning states — said they would oppose the strategy Democratic leaders are considering to reconcile the House and Senate bills and put comprehensive legislation on Obama's desk.
That approach involves using a special budget-related procedure to go around Republican opponents in the Senate, a calculated risk sure to inflame critics on the political right.
"There are no easy choices," acknowledged House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md, insisting that the goal remains the same: to pass far-reaching legislation that would expand coverage, reduce costs and improve quality.
Even as Bayh and Lincoln made their concerns known, House Democratic leaders reported progress in trying to get their rank and file to accept a modified version of the Senate bill.
Rep. Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, the No. 3 Democrat, told reporters he believes the House could pass the Senate bill if lawmakers get rid of special Medicaid deals for Louisiana and Nebraska and dial back a tax on high-cost insurance plans opposed by labor unions.
A week after the loss of a Massachusetts Senate seat — their 60th vote — cost Democrats undisputed control of the congressional agenda, leaders have yet to find their way on health care.
"There is no rush," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said after a luncheon meeting of Democrats that focused on jobs and the economy, not health care. Reid said he'll keep talking with House Democrats and White House officials.
Lawmakers hope Obama will help guide them when the president delivers his State of the Union address Wednesday. Obama is unlikely to delve into the strategy for passing a health care bill, Hoyer said, but he is expected to stress the importance of getting comprehensive legislation along the lines of what the House and Senate already passed.
Democrats now have four options, Hoyer said: No bill, a scaled-back measure designed to attract some Republican support, the House passing the Senate bill, or the House passing the Senate bill with both chambers making changes to bridge their differences.
"Democratic leaders are taking time to talk to our members about what they are hearing from their constituents, and to digest with some clarity the messages that voters in Massachusetts were sending," Hoyer said in a speech.
Unlike Reid, Hoyer said he thinks moving quickly is important. "By next week we need to come to focus on the way we want to move forward," he told reporters.
Opposition to the health care remake in Washington helped spark the Massachusetts revolt, Democrats acknowledge. Obama called the monthslong debate on Capitol Hill "an ugly process."
"It looks like there are a bunch of back-room deals," the president said in an interview with ABC News.
Of the four options that Hoyer outlined, only one has been ruled out. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said last week she does not have the votes to pass the Senate bill without any changes.
Democratic leaders are coalescing around the idea of the House passing the Senate bill, with both chambers agreeing to follow-up legislation that would settle major differences.
The strategy calls for the Senate to use a budget-related procedure — reconciliation_ that requires only 51 votes to advance. Even so, leaders may not be able to round up the votes.
"My concern is that if reconciliation is used, that will really destroy any prospects for bipartisan cooperation on anything else for the remainder of this year," Bayh said. "That would be a regrettable state of affairs, something I think the American public would not react well to."
"I will not accept any last-minute efforts to force changes to health insurance reform through budget reconciliation," Lincoln said in a statement.
But Clyburn, the Democrats' vote-counter in the House, for the first time suggested it would be doable. |
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I'm ashamed to have these idiots, both Dems and Republicans, as my so-called leaders. They're all reprehensible and would like the boots (family-friendly word choice) of anyone who promised to vote for them.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| We have no LEADERS TODAY BRANT! Their all self serving who will TRY to get re elected. I dont believe it will work. look for both to get the boot.BB |
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Sadly, BB, there are too many people in this country who say "throw the bums out, except for my guy, because he's OK." Which means most of the sad excuses for legislators will get re-elected again this year.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I will not be voting for ONE of them..IM a believer in THROW THEM ALL OUT!BB |
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There are a few gems...a few. Alan Grayson has shown he at least has the balls to call people out for being asses. Al Franken has truly exceeded my expectations for a legislator as well. Though I disagree with him on a lot of things, I think Ron Paul is a boon to Congress as well. The Republican party is blessed to have such a smart man to count among their ranks. But those are the only 3 that come to mind as a start.
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| 3 IS BETTER THAN NONE. ITS A SHAME WE BOTH CANT NAME 25 EACH WE BOTH WOULD RE ELECT.BB |
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Yeah, at this point, those are the only 3 I can honestly say I would be happy about seeing back. I can name probably a hundred I would be happy to see gone off the top of my head.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:32 am Post subject: Healthcare Roadblock |
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In year one the POTUS has made 2-huge political mistakes:
•making the mandate to buy insurance the centerpiece of his plan
•stocking his administration with Wall Street insiders.
The Virgina, NJ and Mass. voters may have done the POTUS a favor. They are collectively saying "Look, let's go back to the drawing board." With specific bipartisan health-care initiatives the POTUS can move Healthcare reform forward. But this bill? Not a chance. The big question is will Obama return to being the moderate Democrat that he campaign as?
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | Yeah, at this point, those are the only 3 I can honestly say I would be happy about seeing back. I can name probably a hundred I would be happy to see gone off the top of my head. |
Seems strage that you would want Ron Paul back. He wants smaller government, low taxes and is against the proposed health care reform. |
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Hey, I don't agree with everyone Paul supports, but I do think he's a man of integrity who stands by his convictions. And, for the record, I'm much in favor of smaller government and lower taxes. The real issue is deciding what we spend our tax dollars on.
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| pap wrote: | | Seems strage that you would want Ron Paul back. He wants smaller government, low taxes and is against the proposed health care reform. |
I am aware of his stances. You sometimes need people who want the opposite of what you do in Congress to keep the others in check. However, he is one of the few who wants those things who is also not a total moron and a generally bad person.
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