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pap
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| Brant wrote: | | I can't figure out what you're trying to say, so I'll just go ahead and say that you're correct. |
Ok, try this. Unions claim to want he health care reforms to lower the cost but feel they should demand higher salaries and benifits from health care providers that raise the overall cost but worked out a backroom, closed door agreement not to help the rest of us pay for the so called reform.
The poll showes the readers feel the unions don't really want health care cost control if it affects them in any way. |
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| pap wrote: | | I stated that is was a poll of the readers. This is Washington Co, a strong dem and union county and your readers are against a strike, amazing. There is a disconnect between wanting health care reform and a strike by healthcare union workers while the unions (AFL-CIO) won't participate in the plans to pay for reforms. |
There are a lot of people who don't agree with the current bill because it does not have a Public Option or medicare expansion. In other words, the agreement only goes so far as disliking the current bill, but you want to see it do less...everyone else wants to see it do much much more.
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pap
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | pap wrote: | | I stated that is was a poll of the readers. This is Washington Co, a strong dem and union county and your readers are against a strike, amazing. There is a disconnect between wanting health care reform and a strike by healthcare union workers while the unions (AFL-CIO) won't participate in the plans to pay for reforms. |
There are a lot of people who don't agree with the current bill because it does not have a Public Option or medicare expansion. In other words, the agreement only goes so far as disliking the current bill, but you want to see it do less...everyone else wants to see it do much much more. |
Everyone else? Some people want anything as long as it doesn't cost them anything. Or at least the unions don't want to pay anything for the reform. There deal says their for it as long as its free, |
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Then we are all in agreement, doctors, nurses, and staff should all work for honor, not wages. We should also throw in teachers, police, all of government, public services, fishing licences and Brant's prostitutes.
Now we truly will be the "land of the free". |
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Brant
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Pap, I certainly don't think it's wrong of the AFL-CIO to advocate for its members and to work to prevent them from having to pay a heavy cost for health-care reform. Unions are SUPPOSED to advocate for their members. As for the local union, it is trying to protect the health-care benefits of its members. Again, that's the job of labor unions, whether you like them or not (and I generally don't). The union at Washington Hospital is saying that the hospital's contract proposal would give the hospital the right to change union members health-insurance coverage, and the cost of that coverage, at any time during the life of the contract. If someone came to you and said, "Here's a three-year contract, but we're not going to tell you how much we'll pay you later in the deal," would you take it? Only an idiot would agree to that.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| Brant wrote: | | Pap, I certainly don't think it's wrong of the AFL-CIO to advocate for its members and to work to prevent them from having to pay a heavy cost for health-care reform. Unions are SUPPOSED to advocate for their members. As for the local union, it is trying to protect the health-care benefits of its members. Again, that's the job of labor unions, whether you like them or not (and I generally don't). The union at Washington Hospital is saying that the hospital's contract proposal would give the hospital the right to change union members health-insurance coverage, and the cost of that coverage, at any time during the life of the contract. If someone came to you and said, "Here's a three-year contract, but we're not going to tell you how much we'll pay you later in the deal," would you take it? Only an idiot would agree to that. |
Why are you saying the unions would pay a heavy cost for this reform. It is going to save us all money, right. Right? That is the arguement that has been given on this board since lat year. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:03 am Post subject: |
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The goal is to eventually bring down costs. You don't do that in a day. In the meantime, the unions are trying to prevent their members from paying a heavy cost in the form of a tax on their health-care insurance plans. You might not agree with that, and you might see the unions as being greedy and uncaring about the greater good, but unions exist to represent the interests of their members, and that's what they're doing.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Brant wrote: | | The goal is to eventually bring down costs. You don't do that in a day. In the meantime, the unions are trying to prevent their members from paying a heavy cost in the form of a tax on their health-care insurance plans. You might not agree with that, and you might see the unions as being greedy and uncaring about the greater good, but unions exist to represent the interests of their members, and that's what they're doing. |
I don't agree that the unions are expmpt from the tax. The unions are all for reform, as long as its free. |
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| The problem here is that nobody would like to make the greatest sacrifice. We have been arguing with health insurance for so long now and it seems like we are just going around in circles. As you've said we should all make sacrifices to solve the issue, no matter how big or small that sacrifice may be. Heart Surgery |
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