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Or you could just brush your teeth on a regular basis and avoid getting false ones altogether. Just a thought.
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| blackballed wrote: | YES! Now i will not have to wear my dead father,s false teeth that did not fit..Thank you Democrapts,and all you puppets here who have supported it. off to get my FREE TEETH..AND TO ALL WHO VOTED FOR MORE GOVERNMENT ...SEE YOU IN NOVEMBER.  BB |
Your dad couldn't afford dentures... don't lie
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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be the first time he had a set of teeth
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry Cy-NOT the same poll I referred to. But I am sure you are right
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| SSSS wrote: | | Sorry Cy-NOT the same poll I referred to. But I am sure you are right |
I know its not the same poll you referred to. The poll you referred to didn't ask why those people didn't support the bill. That was my point. And I'm not saying I'm right. I'm saying those poll numbers are right.
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SSSS - just how are you defining "take over"?
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Basically telling them what they can and cannot do-how much to charge etc...
While I certainly agree the costs are too high, I still believe in my heart it is due to the high cost of doctors performing defensive medicine, ordering unnecesary tests to prevent law suits. I think the best way to control HC costs is through tort reform. But we know Congress will never do anything to hurt their fraternity brothers in the legal profession..
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Tort reform would be a non-issue in a single payer system.
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| dick wrote: | | Or you could just brush your teeth on a regular basis and avoid getting false ones altogether. Just a thought. |
7 YEARS AGO A ORAL SURGEON ON HIGHLAND AVE SCREWED MY MOUTH UP TO THE POINT THAT I HAD TO HAVE THEM ALL REMOVED.BB |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| SSSS wrote: | Basically telling them what they can and cannot do-how much to charge etc...
While I certainly agree the costs are too high, I still believe in my heart it is due to the high cost of doctors performing defensive medicine, ordering unnecesary tests to prevent law suits. I think the best way to control HC costs is through tort reform. But we know Congress will never do anything to hurt their fraternity brothers in the legal profession.. |
The effect of tort reform has been estimated at saving one half of one percent on costs...
Several individual states have capped damages and reformed tort law... and still have high costs...
So... Care to elaborate?
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| blackballed wrote: | | dick wrote: | | Or you could just brush your teeth on a regular basis and avoid getting false ones altogether. Just a thought. |
7 YEARS AGO A ORAL SURGEON ON HIGHLAND AVE SCREWED MY MOUTH UP TO THE POINT THAT I HAD TO HAVE THEM ALL REMOVED.BB |
Ironic that this comment is intertwined with a discussion on tort reform. Oh, and I almost forgot... booooo freakin hoooooooo! 
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getting busted in the mouth from someone you ripped off does not constitute oral surgery!
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Now-back to the adults. CY-I do not understand how single payer would cause tort reform-please explain.
e-I truly believe the savings in eliminating defensive medicine would truly be significant and much more than that dubious estimate (source please?)
Just lookat the cost of a CT Scan or an MRI then estimate the savings of all the people who did not really need one but got it anyway. This opinion, as I have stated before, is due to discussions with a close personal friend who is a very respected surgeon in Washington.
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CBO estimated it at 54 billion over ten years... that's 5.4 billion per year out of a sector of the economy that is 2 trillion dollars per year
Here's a washington post article that references the cbo estimate:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/09/AR2009100904271.html
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| SSSS wrote: | | Now-back to the adults. CY-I do not understand how single payer would cause tort reform-please explain. |
In medical malpractice cases, if a doctor is legitimately guilty of malpractice, he should be forced to pay a fine. I think we will all agree with that. However, for even small cases of malpractice, the payouts can be huge. This is why malpractice insurance becomes ridiculously expensive, and that cost ends up getting passed on to the consumer.
Tort reform addresses the problem by treating the symptom. "Cap payouts." However, it ignores the disease. We need to ask why these payouts are so large. The knee-jerk reaction will be greed and frivolity, but that's simply not the case. The truth is medical costs and insurance are expensive. They are even more expensive in our system because once you are sick or injured, you are likely to be dropped from your insurance and not be able to get more because of lifetime caps or preexisting conditions. When you think of it that way, huge payouts make sense. You've just been slapped with a serious injury or condition, in many cases one that will be with your for a large part of your life, and you don't have insurance to cover those costs anymore. You need that money.
In a universal system, it doesn't matter how badly your chit gets messed up, you can still go to the doctor the next day and have a different guy take another go at you. Your costs in theory never change. The only difference is your paying for a few extra, hopefully cheap, doctor's visits to get back to where you were before. In this system, a huge payout isn't necessary. These payouts are often determined by juries or judges in a relatively arbitrary manner. In this situation, you wouldn't need legislation on the books telling them not to award more. These people are all tax payers and they will understand the implications of a huge payout on themselves when it isn't needed. Tort reform in effect would create itself.
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