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freethinker · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:28 pm Post subject:

And E, quick question (you guys are so much faster than I )...

Would you replace nothing in the absence of Faith (capital F ) or would you replace it with a trust in science and logic...?

Surely, faith has taken some hits, here, deservedly so...but science and logic are still not immune
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Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

Question was directed at E, but my two cents:

the belief in science is not the same as faith. So it would be replaced with nothing.
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freethinker · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject:

then Cy, my loving friend, you support nihilism...
the worship of nothingness, along with its prayer for denial of all that seems real
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freethinker · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject:

i think i just missed the bus
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freethinker · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:09 pm Post subject:

"Was Jesus of Nazareth God on earth? There is absolutely no evidence that he was and the whole sum of the laws of the physical world, biology, and physics say that he was not."
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Again, I repeat, I am not endorsing a particular religion, merely Faith in general...And the physical "laws" that you base your belief on, are really quite shaky...About equal to a belief in spiritualism
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freethinker · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:30 pm Post subject:

"I deny nothing that is clearly real. I deny the existence of clearly fantastical layers of reality beyond this one when there is no basis in what is real for them to exist,"
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Then try accepting wave/particle duality and quantum entanglement..
Try believing that life originated by an accidental mixture of natural chemicals. Try committing to the extravagant notion that the universe was fine tuned between gravity and expansion to a tune of ten to the 120th power...Agree that the random mutation of one out of three billion nucleotides can produce organizational improvement in a critter..
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ellipses · Mod Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 9218 Location: WashPa!

It is easy for me to believe it because it can be logically explained.

For example:

Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

Do I believe those things? I have a strong inclination to. Science tends to prove itself correct. When it is not, it changes to fit new findings. Three things:

First, I would never blow up an abortion clinic, behead an infidel, or bomb the church of another denomination of the scientific community because science tells me to.

Second, science does not claim to be right or the only answer; it is fluid and changes with new findings. Religion always claims it is right and it is the only answer.

Third, the science vs. religion argument is silly. Science is about the laws of nature and how things work. Religion is about forced morality and why things work. How vs. Why. They aren't two alternatives for the same aspect of life, they are methods for answering two totally different questions.

How does it work? Science.

Why does it work? Faith.

For the how, I look to science, because there is a reason to know how something works; so you can use it. Science provides the only answer to that question and has a pretty good success ratio.

For the why, there are many different answers, none of which have been proven correct in any way shape or form, many of which cause life to be worse than it would be if people didn't live by them, and most importantly, all of which are unnecessary.

The how question is something we have a direct interest in answering; it benefits us. The why question...not so much. No reason to even care about the answer, but if you do, more power to you. Just don't kill me if I don't agree with your answer.
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