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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:18 am    Post subject: Family Affair Reply with quote

Should Scott J. Baker's 12-year-old son, whom police say Baker enlisted in his plan to kill his wife, be charged in Melissa Ann Baker's death?

http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/localnews/12-08-2009-new-charges-Baker
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an easy one. Yes, he should be charged.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree. We're talking about a youngster who might very well have feared his father and the consequences if he didn't cooperate. You or I would go to the police if confronted by a situation like that, but asking the same of a scared 12-year-old is expecting too much, in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not an easy one, not by any means..
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He should be placed in foster care and given free therapy
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question wasn't whether or not I thought he was guilty, it was whether or not he should be charge. I believe he should. Your reasoning may very well be valid, but the place to make that argument is in a court of law in front of a jury and with legal representation present. You can't get to that point until charges are filed.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever raised a 12 year old child....If not, shut up
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The boy should not be charged. In reading the article it doesn't appear the dad told him Melissa would be murdered, only that she was going to "disappear." We adults would think that meant killed, but to a child? One of the OR online comments mentions the boy is mentally challenged. If so, then his mental age may be much less than 12, and he would not have the maturity to understand. Dad, however, should be shot.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He ain't no "Dad" he's a monster
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

freethinker wrote:
He ain't no "Dad" he's a monster


Agreed.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

freethinker wrote:
Have you ever raised a 12 year old child....If not, shut up


What does that have to do with it?

amom wrote:
The boy should not be charged. In reading the article it doesn't appear the dad told him Melissa would be murdered, only that she was going to "disappear." We adults would think that meant killed, but to a child? One of the OR online comments mentions the boy is mentally challenged. If so, then his mental age may be much less than 12, and he would not have the maturity to understand. Dad, however, should be shot.


That doesn't really change things. If police say he was complicit in the crime, he should be charged. They know more about it than all of us so we should take them at their word. If evidence is revealed that shows he was not complicit, drop the charges. If the case reveals that he was not complicit, acquit in court. Charging someone for a crime is not a sentence, it is the first step in the legal process. The reason we charge people of crimes and send them to court is not to convict them but to find the truth, at least ideally.

All I'm saying is utilize the legal system we have.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But decisions are made by police and prosecutors every day whether someone should even be charged with a crime, based on the information at their disposal. They don't automatically charge every person who MIGHT be complicit. They make informed decisions before even filing charges against a person.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree the court system should be utilized whenever possible. But rather than waste the court's time and the jury's time and spend all sort of fees for legal work, put some common sense to matters. Front line searching for IED's for the senior and a loving foster care home and therapy for the junior. (Dang, my "libchit" is coming out.)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cy, the reason this question is complicated, is because it involves complex issues of loyalty.....loyalty to family, and loyalty to the truth..
And, from what I've read, this poor child told the truth.....
Charging him as an accomplice, while possibly legally correct, would be an insult to our collective conscience...This poor child is the victim, not the criminal
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear what you're saying, but if the police suspect he was involved, that's good enough for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

12/11 is looking like a good pick for the showcase showdown Smile
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