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OR Guy Founder
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: Family Affair |
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Should Scott J. Baker's 12-year-old son, whom police say Baker enlisted in his plan to kill his wife, be charged in Melissa Ann Baker's death?
http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/localnews/12-08-2009-new-charges-Baker _________________ Sincerely,
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Cylinsier Master
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:34 am Post subject: |
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This is an easy one. Yes, he should be charged. _________________ The end is nigh! OR forums die APRIL 1. Don't lose contact! Join the forums at bogsource.com now! |
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Brant Admin
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:36 am Post subject: |
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I disagree. We're talking about a youngster who might very well have feared his father and the consequences if he didn't cooperate. You or I would go to the police if confronted by a situation like that, but asking the same of a scared 12-year-old is expecting too much, in my opinion. _________________
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freethinker Professional
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:38 am Post subject: |
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This is not an easy one, not by any means..
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He should be placed in foster care and given free therapy _________________ where-ever you get it - there you have it. - Anon. |
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Cylinsier Master
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:38 am Post subject: |
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The question wasn't whether or not I thought he was guilty, it was whether or not he should be charge. I believe he should. Your reasoning may very well be valid, but the place to make that argument is in a court of law in front of a jury and with legal representation present. You can't get to that point until charges are filed. _________________ The end is nigh! OR forums die APRIL 1. Don't lose contact! Join the forums at bogsource.com now! |
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freethinker Professional
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Have you ever raised a 12 year old child....If not, shut up _________________ where-ever you get it - there you have it. - Anon. |
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amom Mod
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:42 am Post subject: |
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The boy should not be charged. In reading the article it doesn't appear the dad told him Melissa would be murdered, only that she was going to "disappear." We adults would think that meant killed, but to a child? One of the OR online comments mentions the boy is mentally challenged. If so, then his mental age may be much less than 12, and he would not have the maturity to understand. Dad, however, should be shot. _________________ -amom
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freethinker Professional
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:44 am Post subject: |
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He ain't no "Dad" he's a monster _________________ where-ever you get it - there you have it. - Anon. |
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amom Mod
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:45 am Post subject: |
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freethinker wrote: | He ain't no "Dad" he's a monster |
Agreed. _________________ -amom
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Cylinsier Master
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:53 am Post subject: |
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freethinker wrote: | Have you ever raised a 12 year old child....If not, shut up |
What does that have to do with it?
amom wrote: | The boy should not be charged. In reading the article it doesn't appear the dad told him Melissa would be murdered, only that she was going to "disappear." We adults would think that meant killed, but to a child? One of the OR online comments mentions the boy is mentally challenged. If so, then his mental age may be much less than 12, and he would not have the maturity to understand. Dad, however, should be shot. |
That doesn't really change things. If police say he was complicit in the crime, he should be charged. They know more about it than all of us so we should take them at their word. If evidence is revealed that shows he was not complicit, drop the charges. If the case reveals that he was not complicit, acquit in court. Charging someone for a crime is not a sentence, it is the first step in the legal process. The reason we charge people of crimes and send them to court is not to convict them but to find the truth, at least ideally.
All I'm saying is utilize the legal system we have. _________________ The end is nigh! OR forums die APRIL 1. Don't lose contact! Join the forums at bogsource.com now! |
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Brant Admin
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:55 am Post subject: |
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But decisions are made by police and prosecutors every day whether someone should even be charged with a crime, based on the information at their disposal. They don't automatically charge every person who MIGHT be complicit. They make informed decisions before even filing charges against a person. _________________
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amom Mod
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:57 am Post subject: |
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I agree the court system should be utilized whenever possible. But rather than waste the court's time and the jury's time and spend all sort of fees for legal work, put some common sense to matters. Front line searching for IED's for the senior and a loving foster care home and therapy for the junior. (Dang, my "libchit" is coming out.) _________________ -amom
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freethinker Professional
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Cy, the reason this question is complicated, is because it involves complex issues of loyalty.....loyalty to family, and loyalty to the truth..
And, from what I've read, this poor child told the truth.....
Charging him as an accomplice, while possibly legally correct, would be an insult to our collective conscience...This poor child is the victim, not the criminal _________________ where-ever you get it - there you have it. - Anon. |
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:00 am Post subject: |
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I hear what you're saying, but if the police suspect he was involved, that's good enough for me. _________________ The end is nigh! OR forums die APRIL 1. Don't lose contact! Join the forums at bogsource.com now! |
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