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freethinker

Perhaps this is not the proper place to pose such a question, and if so,
please forgive me...But the question has dogged me for several years,
and even more so the last few months...There's probably no definitive
answer, only informed opinions...It would be very nice to hear the
opinions of those who have considered this question before...

Let's restate the question with a little more clarity --

Is it possible, within one's own mind, to reconcile an acceptance of the
complete truth of the scientific method, along with an equal and
parallel acceptance of an active, personal God...?
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Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

Yes, absolutely. But it would not be a god as described by any existing religion I know of. In its simplest form, the faith would be as follows:

Where n is a known fact of reality as proven by a science, n subscript ∞ is true because god made it that way.

Examples:

god made the big bang, the process of the earth cooling, the structure of atoms and molecules, the laws of physics, the puddle where the first single celled organisms were born, the process of evolution, etc.
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Brant · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:08 pm Post subject:

I believe only what I can see or can be scientifically proven to exist. If the clouds parted one day and God rode down on a rainbow into my backyard and asked me to join the team, I'd be in church the next day. Otherwise, no deal.
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ellipses · Mod Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 9218 Location: WashPa!

I don't know who said this... but I like it:

The depth of my belief is proportionate to the evidence in favor of that which is to be believed.
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freethinker · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:18 pm Post subject:

Thank you for your opinion...I'm not sure I understand what "Known
fact of a science subscript infinity" means... Please forgive me. So I'll just assume, until you correct me, that your opinion is (and I certainly
don't wish to speak for anyone ) that a belief in science and religion
can co-exist in your mind, once science shows proof that God exists...
Am I even anywhere close, here..?
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Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

Science will never show proof that god exists. My opinion is that I do not see a problem with a person choosing to believe that science is the work of god. I don't think god can exist inside science but he can be the explanation for it if you want him to be. But that by default prevents you from subscribing to any current religion as they are all at odds with science.
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OndinitaAKALibchit · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:30 pm Post subject:

OndinitaAKALibchit · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject:

I just want to add that I am open to the idea that I may be wrong and God may not exist...
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Cylinsier · Master Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 13229 Location: Oh shi-

If he does, he probably looks like this:

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OndinitaAKALibchit · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject:

Probably!
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freethinker · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:49 pm Post subject:

So, then your opinion is no...? an honest scientist will never be able to
justify a belief in Jesus without being a hypocrite...(And by the way, I'm
not baiting you, I'm searching for heart-felt opinions defended by
emotion if not logic...)
Of course science cannot prove the existence of God, that's not the
question...The question remains, do you feel I am being dishonest
if I accept with immaculate certainty the proven results of evolution and
cosmology, remain skeptical of the claims of healers and con-artists,
and still pray to a God who I feel is listening..
Like i said, this may not be the proper place for this question.
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busdriver · Journeyman Joined: 16 Mar 2009 Posts: 3497

[quote="freethinker"]Perhaps this is not the proper place to pose such a question, and if so,
please forgive me...

Hell, you are at the right place Free, and for "proper place " eh, maybe not so much when you read the feedback.

The Jesus Christ guy we are not so sure about since no one can prove beyond a doubt , Jesus was the Son Of God. All we know is that which was written by Man, and Man is not always a verifible source of facts, more embellishment then factual most of the time. Gospels, parables, various writings by scribes, all are opinions or information passed from one person to another. Nothing sustainable except the cry for one to "believe" ,based on faith not facts.

Now God, or a Supreme Being, is more likely to be true, since this Evolution Theory is what really is unbelievable. We all evolved from a single cell? What about animals, trees, vegtables, etc.? Adam and Eve has more believable substance then the Theory of Evolution.

Why are there males and females, how did the "cell" know how to create a male and also a female? Why did the "cells' stop creating males and females and keep creating new people instead of going through the mating ritual as is and has been done since recorded history.

This should get us started, now it is your post.

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Brant · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:06 pm Post subject:

I think there are many people, like me, who believe Jesus walked the earth but was not a supernatural being.
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OndinitaAKALibchit · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:09 pm Post subject: