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phonyfeminazi · Expert Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 7819

Yeah, let's just ignore the Bible.....who needs it, right??? We can all become good LIBCHITS, and declare "ANYTHING GOES"......lol.....Ana, Ana, you just don't make good sense, at times....

Have you ever read the whole Bible? I've read pretty much most of it. We, Christians, ignore most of it...I just showed you some examples of rules that we were given by the apostles that we ignore. If you actually read the Bible, you'll find plenty more...But you want to stick to that line about the homosexuals! THATreally makes sense! What ever happen to "What would Jesus do?" It's one of the few things that Christians have come up with lately that actually makes sense...
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Yeah, as I previously noted....let's just ignore the Bible and become good LIBCHIT ATHEISTS whose motto is "ANYTHING GOES".....

Because some Christians ignore parts of the BIBLE does that nullify the Word of God?????
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OndinitaAKALibchit · Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject:

OndinitaAKALibchit · Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject:

Phony...Since you probably think that my views are heretical and that I want "to ignore the Bible" and for everyone to become "good LIBCHIT ATHEISTS", let me recommend that you read "The Jefferson Bible: The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth". Thomas Jefferson, who was not a libchit, understood that Jesus' teachings should have been separated from dogma & organized religion. So he rearrange the Bible and focused on the teachings of Jesus and included the very words only of Jesus. Jefferson believed that by doing this "there will be found remaining the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man." I couldn't agree more.

You have to realize that after Jesus died, there was a lot fighting amongst the Apostles, power struggles and sometimes they couldn't agree on the interpretations, rules, etc... Not everything that was written about Jesus was admitted as Scripture. I've researched this topic and there are many opinions on how it was decided which writings and books would make it into the Canon. John was always my favorite apostle and he said "The man who is so advanced that he is not content with what Christ taught, has in fact no God. The man who bases his life on Christ's teaching, however, has both the Father and the Son as his God." 2 John 2:9-10 That's why I think that following Jesus' teachings is the most important factor for being a Christian. Everything else is debatable...
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Amphikalein · Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:48 am Post subject:

Phony & i have been round & round this many times in the past. He wants to use relatively modern misinterpretations of about 6 biblical passages, all to justify being judgmental about gays because apparently some guy came on to him when he was in the military and rather than simply say "No, thanks, not interested" he punched the guy.

i (along with many other Christians, which Phony won't acknowledge) adhere to current biblical scholarship which returns to more traditional (and, i believe, more correct) interpretations.

For instance, in the New Testament, which was originally written in Greek, all the Christian religious prejudice against gays centers around two Greek words: Malakoi, and arsenokoitai. The academic consensus is that neither are the words that the Greeks used to refer to people who were like modern gay people. Jesus is recorded in New Testament Greek using the word malakos (plural root of malakoi) in reference to soft clothing (In Matthew 11:8 and Luke 7:25.) Scholars for centuries have maintained that malakoi, as the word was used in New Testament times, variously meant 'intellectually or morally weak or soft,' or 'feeble.' Still, starting in the 1900s, translators started substituting the word 'homosexual' or 'sodomite' for the traditional meaning of malakoi in St. Paul's writings.

Arsenokoities (plural of arsenokoitai) appears in roughly 70 extant Greek texts covering a period starting before the Bible was written and ending after the Scriptural canon was established. It never refers to homosexuality in those texts. The most common usage of the word, going back more than 2000 years, was in reference to the practice of 'temple prostitutes.' In some pagan temples of the period, prostitutes (of both sexes, as well as eunuchs) were visited for sex by worshipers, usually in conjunction with fertility rites. There are even a few instances in those Greek texts where the word is used in reference to a man having sex with his wife, which is definitely not homosexual. Usually in the history of the Christian Bible the word was translated simply as 'prostitute.' It wasn't until the 20th century that there was a semantic shift in biblical translations from 'prostitutes' to 'homosexuals.'

So what have people based their mistranslations on? Scholars say it's mainly because arsenokoities is a compound word. The first half is similar to a word that means 'man' and the second half to a word that means 'bed' or 'resting place.' So biblical translators in the early to mid 1900s, reflecting the prejudices of their times, interpreted 'man - bed' to mean 'homosexual'. Imagine how people 1900 years from now, speaking a different language entirely, might misinterpret compound words we use, like 'butter-fly' or 'lady-killer'. A dairy product that soared through the air? Someone who murders women?

None of this will make a stitch of difference to Phony, with his malakoi head.
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Brant · Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:37 am Post subject:

Phony, I always got a kick out of that "inspired word of God" or "inspired word of Jesus," like the big fella was dictating stuff to the writers of the Bible. Well, I have to report to you that God inspired me today - spoke directly to me - and told me to tell ya'll that the whole Bible thing, he was just messin' with you.
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OndinitaAKALibchit · Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:19 am Post subject:

Amphy-I have read about this before. But I thank you for going into detail like this!! I'm forwarding this to a friend of mine that is a very sweet girl that loves homosexuals, but she never knows how to defend them to her more conservative Christian friends when they start citing the Scriptures...

It's funny that Catholics accept the explanation of a mistranslation when it comes to Mary's virginity. In the Bible it says that Jesus had brothers & sisters, but Catholics say that it's a misinterpretation, that they meant to say "cousins" and that Mary never had any other children. So if Catholics accept that there are mistranslations and misinterpretations of the Bible, why is your explanation not acceptable?

Brant-the problem is that most Christians, particularly Catholics, haven't really read the Bible. If they had, they'd know that there's no way all that's written on it is the "inspired word of God" or "inspired word of Jesus". But obviously, Phony believes that not only were all the writers inspired by God or Jesus, but the translators were too!!! No way the translators got it wrong!!! Rolling Eyes

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