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SSSS- This one is actually extremely easy to blame on W. Even Phony will agree that W spent like a maniac...Everyone knows that we were in a terrible mess when Obama took office. Even if you think it wasn't Bush's fault, it was certainly not Obama's. He was just expected to clean up the mess...How do you suggest we could fix it w/o spending money? Many economists and financial experts agree that the bailouts & stimulus were needed to save our economy from collapsing. The Bush admin gave out the first chunk of bailout money last year. Why do cons conveniently forget that? Most experts also agree that the stimulus and bailouts are the reason we're facing a Great Recession instead of the Great Depression II. If you think this is bad, it could've been a lot worse. Saving the country from complete collapse, we had to triple the deficit...Also don't forget all the money we're still spending on the two wars that Bush started. I just hope Obama gets us out of Iraq soon and ends the war in Afghanistan...Of course if he does, the right will criticize him for "surrendering"...
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | SSSS- This one is actually extremely easy to blame on W. Even Phony will agree that W spent like a maniac...Everyone knows that we were in a terrible mess when Obama took office. Even if you think it wasn't Bush's fault, it was certainly not Obama's. He was just expected to clean up the mess...How do you suggest we could fix it w/o spending money? Many economists and financial experts agree that the bailouts & stimulus were needed to save our economy from collapsing. The Bush admin gave out the first chunk of bailout money last year. Why do cons conveniently forget that? Most experts also agree that the stimulus and bailouts are the reason we're facing a Great Recession instead of the Great Depression II. If you think this is bad, it could've been a lot worse. Saving the country from complete collapse, we had to triple the deficit...Also don't forget all the money we're still spending on the two wars that Bush started. I just hope Obama gets us out of Iraq soon and ends the war in Afghanistan...Of course if he does, the right will criticize him for "surrendering"... |
Ana, as bad as Bush was, Osama is ten times worse.....and my dear, we are headed for a complete collapse.....our currency will no longer be the world's currency.....we will go through an Argentina type devaluation of our dollar, and if you think times are bad now, just wait until you see the upcoming fiasco....
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Note from a small businessman...
Though it kind of leaves a sour taste, I must
say that i agree with Phony on his idea of
eliminating all debt...
It even has historical precedence...
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| freethinker wrote: | Note from a small businessman...
Though it kind of leaves a sour taste, I must
say that i agree with Phony on his idea of
eliminating all debt...
It even has historical precedence... |
free, which way would be more acceptable to you.....lose all your accounts receivable and remain in business or receive today's A/R and close you door in bankruptcy?
It's too late now for the "forgiveness of all debt", so it will definitely be the second option. The common citizen will suffer, not the "big boys".
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Thank you, Phony,
for asking my preference...
Unfortunately, as you stated, I am not in control -
so I don't have a choice of the outcome... My
desire is meaningless to society at large, an easy
source of revenue for the
government in particular, and moot to the readers
here....
But I can assure you, friend, that small business
will remain, and continue to employ over three
quarters of this nation's population, with or without
the help of the government...
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I have not forgotten for a minute that Bush drove up the deficit. What is forgotten is that a large chunk of that went to clean up efforts for 911 and Katrina as well as Homeland Security grants to municipal governments.
My point is simply this...when Bush pushed the deficit into the billions the screaching from the left was deafening. But now Obama has pushed it into the trillions and it is apparently OK with the left. Typical hypocrisy from the democrats.
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| SSSS wrote: | I have not forgotten for a minute that Bush drove up the deficit. What is forgotten is that a large chunk of that went to clean up efforts for 911 and Katrina as well as Homeland Security grants to municipal governments.
My point is simply this...when Bush pushed the deficit into the billions the screaching from the left was deafening. But now Obama has pushed it into the trillions and it is apparently OK with the left. Typical hypocrisy from the democrats. |
I'm not a Democrat, but the only spending of Bush's that I complained about was the war. I didn't like the way he handle many other affairs, but I never complained about his spending. I worked with many Dems back when Bush was president and I only heard complaints about the war, his handling of Katrina, etc...Not about his spending. There were marches protesting the war, not his spending... If you wanna point fingers & talk about hipocrisy, what about all the Reps that are complaining about Obama's spending now? The screaching from the right IS deafening NOW! They're having "tea parties", demonstrations, marches...None of them cared when it was Bush spending...
BTW, Bush's deficit wasn't even higher bc he didn't calculate the cost of the wars into his budgets...10 billion dollars a month is a lot of money to leave out! Obama is putting the cost of the wars in the budget.
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It only looks hypocritical if you fail to differentiate what the spending goes to. You can't possibly compare war spending to the prevention of the collapse of a significant portion of the economy and expect reasonably educated people to view them as the same thing.
freethinker, what historical precedence are you referring to? Too much of our debt is tied to international entities to expect that they will just let us decide not to pay them back.
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | SSSS wrote: | I have not forgotten for a minute that Bush drove up the deficit. What is forgotten is that a large chunk of that went to clean up efforts for 911 and Katrina as well as Homeland Security grants to municipal governments.
My point is simply this...when Bush pushed the deficit into the billions the screaching from the left was deafening. But now Obama has pushed it into the trillions and it is apparently OK with the left. Typical hypocrisy from the democrats. |
I'm not a Democrat, but the only spending of Bush's that I complained about was the war. I didn't like the way he handle many other affairs, but I never complained about his spending. I worked with many Dems back when Bush was president and I only heard complaints about the war, his handling of Katrina, etc...Not about his spending. There were marches protesting the war, not his spending... If you wanna point fingers & talk about hipocrisy, what about all the Reps that are complaining about Obama's spending now? The screaching from the right IS deafening NOW! They're having "tea parties", demonstrations, marches...None of them cared when it was Bush spending...
BTW, Bush's deficit wasn't even higher bc he didn't calculate the cost of the wars into his budgets...10 billion dollars a month is a lot of money to leave out! Obama is putting the cost of the wars in the budget. |
Oh, so only you LIBCHITS are permitted to demonstrate, protest, express their views?????????????
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Sorry-I forgot I am just a stupid uneducated republican. But hey I got to go-my cousins just got indoor plummin and I want to go see it. Bye now!
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I implied that you think liberals are stupid. I did not imply that you are stupid.
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Why are some conservatives so eager to paint themselves as being victimized, even in jest? 
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Its an extremely common theme these days. Its Glenn Beck's bread and butter.
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | SSSS- This one is actually extremely easy to blame on W. Even Phony will agree that W spent like a maniac...Everyone knows that we were in a terrible mess when Obama took office. Even if you think it wasn't Bush's fault, it was certainly not Obama's. He was just expected to clean up the mess...How do you suggest we could fix it w/o spending money? Many economists and financial experts agree that the bailouts & stimulus were needed to save our economy from collapsing. The Bush admin gave out the first chunk of bailout money last year. Why do cons conveniently forget that? Most experts also agree that the stimulus and bailouts are the reason we're facing a Great Recession instead of the Great Depression II. If you think this is bad, it could've been a lot worse. Saving the country from complete collapse, we had to triple the deficit...Also don't forget all the money we're still spending on the two wars that Bush started. I just hope Obama gets us out of Iraq soon and ends the war in Afghanistan...Of course if he does, the right will criticize him for "surrendering"... |
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Ana, getting "tingles" up and down your leg when you mention your hero's name, "OSAMA OBAMA"????????????
He said he was going to cure our economic problem, and so far he's done exactly "chit".....
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Thank God a voting majority of Americans gave him at least four years to make a dent in the problems that already were burgeoning before he took office.
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