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OndinitaAKALibchit
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| phonyfeminazi wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | phonyfeminazi wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | I really don't get how this is even a debatable topic.
Federal laws protect government employees from workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. The Military is part of the government and soldiers are government employees. So why are they not protected by the same laws as all other government employees? It's just ridiculous!!! |
Yes, Ana, the poor homosexuals are treated so badly here.....stoned, executed,.......oh, wait a minute, that's in lands where the people observe Sharia Law.....
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Phony...I thought you said that you support the laws that are written in the books. Like I said, Federal laws protect goverment employees from being fired bc of their sexual preference. In other words, government employees cannot get fired for being gay. Yet homosexuals in the Military are goverment employees, but they, as of now, can get fired if they decide to be open about their sexuality. There's no reason why soldiers should be the only government employees that are not protected by the laws that protect all other government employees... |
You can't compare men and women who are in a position to put their lives on the line for you, me, and the rest of the country, to sicko, thieving, wonderful person politicians......COME ON, ANA, you must be smoking the same chit that AMPHY is.... |
Some of those brave men and woman who are in a position to put their lives on the line for you, me and the rest of the country ARE GAY...and they shouldn't get fired if they choose to be open about it...
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | phonyfeminazi wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | phonyfeminazi wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | I really don't get how this is even a debatable topic.
Federal laws protect government employees from workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. The Military is part of the government and soldiers are government employees. So why are they not protected by the same laws as all other government employees? It's just ridiculous!!! |
Yes, Ana, the poor homosexuals are treated so badly here.....stoned, executed,.......oh, wait a minute, that's in lands where the people observe Sharia Law.....
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Phony...I thought you said that you support the laws that are written in the books. Like I said, Federal laws protect goverment employees from being fired bc of their sexual preference. In other words, government employees cannot get fired for being gay. Yet homosexuals in the Military are goverment employees, but they, as of now, can get fired if they decide to be open about their sexuality. There's no reason why soldiers should be the only government employees that are not protected by the laws that protect all other government employees... |
You can't compare men and women who are in a position to put their lives on the line for you, me, and the rest of the country, to sicko, thieving, wonderful person politicians......COME ON, ANA, you must be smoking the same chit that AMPHY is.... |
Some of those brave men and woman who are in a position to put their lives on the line for you, me and the rest of the country ARE GAY...and they shouldn't get fired if they choose to be open about it... |
Ana, there you go again, with your phony baloney hypocritical bullchit.
You are concerned about the homosexuals, but care less about opinions of NORMAL people......I don't see anything wrong with a homosexual becoming military folks....just keep the chit to themselves.
Who in the hell wants to hear queers bragging about their sexual preferences????
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OndinitaAKALibchit
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| phonyfeminazi wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | phonyfeminazi wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | phonyfeminazi wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | I really don't get how this is even a debatable topic.
Federal laws protect government employees from workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. The Military is part of the government and soldiers are government employees. So why are they not protected by the same laws as all other government employees? It's just ridiculous!!! |
Yes, Ana, the poor homosexuals are treated so badly here.....stoned, executed,.......oh, wait a minute, that's in lands where the people observe Sharia Law.....
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Phony...I thought you said that you support the laws that are written in the books. Like I said, Federal laws protect goverment employees from being fired bc of their sexual preference. In other words, government employees cannot get fired for being gay. Yet homosexuals in the Military are goverment employees, but they, as of now, can get fired if they decide to be open about their sexuality. There's no reason why soldiers should be the only government employees that are not protected by the laws that protect all other government employees... |
You can't compare men and women who are in a position to put their lives on the line for you, me, and the rest of the country, to sicko, thieving, wonderful person politicians......COME ON, ANA, you must be smoking the same chit that AMPHY is.... |
Some of those brave men and woman who are in a position to put their lives on the line for you, me and the rest of the country ARE GAY...and they shouldn't get fired if they choose to be open about it... |
Ana, there you go again, with your phony baloney hypocritical bullchit.
You are concerned about the homosexuals, but care less about opinions of NORMAL people......I don't see anything wrong with a homosexual becoming military folks....just keep the chit to themselves.
Who in the hell wants to hear queers bragging about their sexual preferences???? |
Who in the hell wants to hear heteros bragging about their sexual preferences???? And they do all the time!!!! The Military is known for all the sexual harassment that goes on!!! But THAT people like you don't really care about...
You're always defending the indefensible. Gay people are normal people. And it's not about bragging. But, for example, if a gay soldier has a partner back home, why would he/she have to be fearful of anyone finding out bc he/she could lose their jobs? You know that other soldiers are probably going to ask them personal questions when they're getting to know each other like, "are you married?", "do you have a significant other?" etc... Why would they have to pretend to be straight? I think it's worse for gays in the military to be forced to lie to their fellow soldiers constantly!!!
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i heard a quip from Bill Maher's show on Friday that sums up the idiocy of the reasoning behind DADT:
"Here in the Army we're all about honor and trust - so either lie to my face about your sexuality, Johnson, or i'll report you behind your back."
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| whats so normal about men f;./' men?to each his own.but i like ladies,and if your a man and you dont,somethings wrong with you.and you sure as hell are NOT NORMAL.BB |
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Typing in all caps isn't normal either but no one says you shouldn't be allowed to serve in the military.
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OndinitaAKALibchit
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| blackballed wrote: | | whats so normal about men f;./' men?to each his own.but i like ladies,and if your a man and you dont,somethings wrong with you.and you sure as hell are NOT NORMAL.BB |
So according to you, anyone that isn't like you and/or doesn't think like you is not normal...WOW! What a great argument!!!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| blackballed wrote: | | whats so normal about men f;./' men?to each his own.but i like ladies,and if your a man and you dont,somethings wrong with you.and you sure as hell are NOT NORMAL.BB |
I've shown over and over that it is ENTIRELY normal... there have ALWAYS been homosexuals... and the rate at which people are homosexual is relatively constant, therefore, it is normal.
Again, with the left-handedness and all that jazz
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| C,THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO WORK ANYWHERE THEY WANT...ONDI,YES ITS NOT NORMAL.BUT ITS JUST MY OPINION WHICH IS OK.E THE LEFTHANDNESS IS FUNNY..BB |
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DADT was a stupid idea when Clinton insttuted it. It was discriminitory and is even more atiquated thinking now days. I could care less if the soldier next to me likes boys, girls, or sheep as long as they carry their end of the log and cover my six.
But I do want to take you to task on one statement Ondinita-about sexual harassment being common in the military-may I ask what facts that statement is based on? I am not saying it does not happen but I bet it is more prevelant in the corporate world than in the military becuase the punishment for it is much more severe. I served in two units that were male and female and I truly never once saw it.
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| SSSS wrote: | DADT was a stupid idea when Clinton insttuted it. It was discriminitory and is even more atiquated thinking now days. I could care less if the soldier next to me likes boys, girls, or sheep as long as they carry their end of the log and cover my six.
But I do want to take you to task on one statement Ondinita-about sexual harassment being common in the military-may I ask what facts that statement is based on? I am not saying it does not happen but I bet it is more prevelant in the corporate world than in the military becuase the punishment for it is much more severe. I served in two units that were male and female and I truly never once saw it. |
Last year, the Pentagon released surveys on sexual harassment and assault in the military. The results: A third of women (That's about 33%) and 6 percent of men reported being sexually harassed in 2006.
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Thanks-never saw that report. I am surprised, but I wonder what the parameters of the study were.
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| SSSS wrote: | | Thanks-never saw that report. I am surprised, but I wonder what the parameters of the study were. |
You're right. We don't know what's considered harassment for the purposes of that survey. Some people may feel that they were being harassed if they were in my position. I work with a bunch of guys that are always making dirty jokes, sending nasty pics,etc... But I personally don't really care and sometimes even enjoy it!!
I wasn't really trying to attack the Military anyways...I was just making a point to Phony. He said, "Who in the hell wants to hear queers bragging about their sexual preferences?" and I was saying that it's not different from what happens with heteros...Sometimes they brag so much that it turns into harassment!
I have friends in the military that are excellent, irreproachable soldiers. I appreciate their service and yours!
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Understood. I did not take it as a slam on the military. Yes some of those "incidents" could have been filed over a pin up calendar or such.
You also cannot stop rumors. I had a female Company Commander once. Everytime someone in the Unit got promoted, they were rumored to have been sleeping with her.
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| SSSS wrote: | Understood. I did not take it as a slam on the military. Yes some of those "incidents" could have been filed over a pin up calendar or such.
You also cannot stop rumors. I had a female Company Commander once. Everytime someone in the Unit got promoted, they were rumored to have been sleeping with her. |
Oh my!!! hehehe
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