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 Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject: Obama: 'We should not be punishing' gays in the military |
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/10/obama.gay.rights/index.html
| Quote: | WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Obama told nation's largest gay rights group that his administration is "moving forward" with the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
"We should not be punishing patriotic Americans serving this country," Obama said.
Obama's speech at Saturday's dinner for the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest gay rights group, comes as activists have lost patience over the lack of change to key issues for the gay community.
"I think there was a lot of excitement that things were going to change and I think there is impatience that there hasn't been change fast enough," said Steve Elmendorf, a gay Democratic lobbyist.
Gays and lesbians expected more action from Obama, such as delivering on his campaign promise to urge Congress to pass legislation repealing "don't ask, don't tell" -- a policy banning homosexuals from serving openly in the military.
Another issue is same-sex marriage, a battleground point in many states. While the president does not support same-sex marriage, he does want to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as exclusively between a man and a woman.
"The bottom line is we have to move from memo signings -- which he did during Pride Week -- to bill signings," said one leading gay rights advocate, an Obama supporter who asked not to be named to avoid alienating the White House.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters Friday that Obama will discuss "a range of issues," including hate crimes protections, which "are long overdue, in the president's opinion."
Legislation was passed in the House this week widening the definition of hate crimes to include attacks based on sexual orientation and gender identity -- a move that Obama believes "represents an important step," Gibbs said.
Obama "looks forward to, when that legislation gets to his desk, signing it and making that the law of the land," Gibbs added. "I think that's certainly part of what he'll discuss on Saturday night," Gibbs said.
A White House official, who requested anonymity, said Obama's remarks will focus on the steps he has and will take on issues affecting gays and lesbians.
"We expect the president to talk about the progress he has made in just the last 10 months. From passing hate crimes, to appointing openly gay people to high-level positions, to lifting the HIV-travel ban which has been in place for 20 years," according to a representative from a leading gay rights group.
"Like many in our community, we'd specifically like him to address more definitively repealing 'don't ask, don't tell," the source said. "The president's beliefs about repeal are well-known, we are just interested in exact roadmap of how we get there." |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Obama: 'We should not be punishing' gays in the military |
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| Cylinsier wrote: | http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/10/obama.gay.rights/index.html
| Quote: | WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Obama told nation's largest gay rights group that his administration is "moving forward" with the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
"We should not be punishing patriotic Americans serving this country," Obama said.
Obama's speech at Saturday's dinner for the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest gay rights group, comes as activists have lost patience over the lack of change to key issues for the gay community.
"I think there was a lot of excitement that things were going to change and I think there is impatience that there hasn't been change fast enough," said Steve Elmendorf, a gay Democratic lobbyist.
Gays and lesbians expected more action from Obama, such as delivering on his campaign promise to urge Congress to pass legislation repealing "don't ask, don't tell" -- a policy banning homosexuals from serving openly in the military.
Another issue is same-sex marriage, a battleground point in many states. While the president does not support same-sex marriage, he does want to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as exclusively between a man and a woman.
"The bottom line is we have to move from memo signings -- which he did during Pride Week -- to bill signings," said one leading gay rights advocate, an Obama supporter who asked not to be named to avoid alienating the White House.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters Friday that Obama will discuss "a range of issues," including hate crimes protections, which "are long overdue, in the president's opinion."
Legislation was passed in the House this week widening the definition of hate crimes to include attacks based on sexual orientation and gender identity -- a move that Obama believes "represents an important step," Gibbs said.
Obama "looks forward to, when that legislation gets to his desk, signing it and making that the law of the land," Gibbs added. "I think that's certainly part of what he'll discuss on Saturday night," Gibbs said.
A White House official, who requested anonymity, said Obama's remarks will focus on the steps he has and will take on issues affecting gays and lesbians.
"We expect the president to talk about the progress he has made in just the last 10 months. From passing hate crimes, to appointing openly gay people to high-level positions, to lifting the HIV-travel ban which has been in place for 20 years," according to a representative from a leading gay rights group.
"Like many in our community, we'd specifically like him to address more definitively repealing 'don't ask, don't tell," the source said. "The president's beliefs about repeal are well-known, we are just interested in exact roadmap of how we get there." |
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Yes, we should really be concerned about the homosexuals....it is imperative that they be able to "marry"......lol....they are true sickness.
Abomb! .......I TOOK YOUR BAIT!!!!!!
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Well I am the master baiter.
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | Well I am the master baiter. |
That you are, Abomb!.....that you are.
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| OBAMA ALWAYS TELLS THE GROUP HE IS SPEAKING TO WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR,HE JUST STAGED A GROUP OF DOCTORS WHO WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH HIM,THE DOCTORS WHO WERE NOT WAS NOT INVITED.BB |
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Caps Lock alert!
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I really don't get how this is even a debatable topic.
Federal laws protect government employees from workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. The Military is part of the government and soldiers are government employees. So why are they not protected by the same laws as all other government employees? It's just ridiculous!!!
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | I really don't get how this is even a debatable topic.
Federal laws protect government employees from workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. The Military is part of the government and soldiers are government employees. So why are they not protected by the same laws as all other government employees? It's just ridiculous!!! |
Yes, Ana, the poor homosexuals are treated so badly here.....stoned, executed,.......oh, wait a minute, that's in lands where the people observe Sharia Law.....
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Yeah, here they just get beaten up & hung on a fence in freezing temperatures overnight in Wyoming and left to die.
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| Amphikalein wrote: | | Yeah, here they just get beaten up & hung on a fence in freezing temperatures overnight in Wyoming and left to die. |
Yeah, and we have that lovely guy, John Wayne Gacy, who kills victims of his sickness...
SO, YOU SEE, AMPHY, IT WORKS BOTH WAYS....spare me the tears and sob stories....
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Yeah, a serial killer and Matthew Shepherd were exactly the same. 
Using your reasoning, that means Ted Bundy and you are exactly the same. Works both ways, right?
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| phonyfeminazi wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | I really don't get how this is even a debatable topic.
Federal laws protect government employees from workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. The Military is part of the government and soldiers are government employees. So why are they not protected by the same laws as all other government employees? It's just ridiculous!!! |
Yes, Ana, the poor homosexuals are treated so badly here.....stoned, executed,.......oh, wait a minute, that's in lands where the people observe Sharia Law.....
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Phony...I thought you said that you support the laws that are written in the books. Like I said, Federal laws protect goverment employees from being fired bc of their sexual preference. In other words, government employees cannot get fired for being gay. Yet homosexuals in the Military are goverment employees, but they, as of now, can get fired if they decide to be open about their sexuality. There's no reason why soldiers should be the only government employees that are not protected by the laws that protect all other government employees...
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| Amphikalein wrote: | Yeah, a serial killer and Matthew Shepherd were exactly the same.
Using your reasoning, that means Ted Bundy and you are exactly the same. Works both ways, right? |
You truly are blinded by your libchit views, ain't you???
I compared the homosexual killer to the killers of Shepherd, you dumb azz....
Please, stop by again, when you're sober, and capable of "thinking properly"...
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | phonyfeminazi wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | I really don't get how this is even a debatable topic.
Federal laws protect government employees from workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. The Military is part of the government and soldiers are government employees. So why are they not protected by the same laws as all other government employees? It's just ridiculous!!! |
Yes, Ana, the poor homosexuals are treated so badly here.....stoned, executed,.......oh, wait a minute, that's in lands where the people observe Sharia Law.....
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Phony...I thought you said that you support the laws that are written in the books. Like I said, Federal laws protect goverment employees from being fired bc of their sexual preference. In other words, government employees cannot get fired for being gay. Yet homosexuals in the Military are goverment employees, but they, as of now, can get fired if they decide to be open about their sexuality. There's no reason why soldiers should be the only government employees that are not protected by the laws that protect all other government employees... |
You can't compare men and women who are in a position to put their lives on the line for you, me, and the rest of the country, to sicko, thieving, wonderful person politicians......COME ON, ANA, you must be smoking the same chit that AMPHY is....
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You, lecturing anyone about clear thinking is priceless!
Forgive me if i'm unable to accurately follow your narratives, let along the mish-mosh that passes for your thinking processes
Equating the non-pathology that is homosexuality with the sickness of a violent sociopath is truly absurd. You missed your calling - you could have made a mint writing pulp fiction.
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