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| Why? I have had this discussion before, don't equate Fox News with the talk/opinion shows on after 8PM. The New is the same as CNN. Do you recall the Dan Rather controversy? Good reliable old CBS. Or what about the NYT scandal about plagiarism? Limbaugh is not news and so I would call him a source. If I want the news I get in mainly from Newspapers and still fact check things I read. |
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The best source is a host of sources, minus those that have been repeatedly proven to be false and have made no attempts to correct the habits or behavior that lead them to report false information in the first place. Fox News is a major repeat offender of reporting biases or factually incorrect news.
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| dazes wrote: | | Why? I have had this discussion before, don't equate Fox News with the talk/opinion shows on after 8PM. The New is the same as CNN. Do you recall the Dan Rather controversy? Good reliable old CBS. Or what about the NYT scandal about plagiarism? Limbaugh is not news and so I would call him a source. If I want the news I get in mainly from Newspapers and still fact check things I read. |
I'm leaving work now, but quickly....We didn't specify "news". We were talking about reliable sources in general. And I can use Wikipedia as a source for a definition of a term...I know plenty of conservatives that think the talking heads like Limbaugh are reliable sources of information. Fox News is completely biased....It's not just the shows...Plagiarism has nothing to do with reliability. It's just not giving credit to the source of info...
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | dazes wrote: | | Why? I have had this discussion before, don't equate Fox News with the talk/opinion shows on after 8PM. The New is the same as CNN. Do you recall the Dan Rather controversy? Good reliable old CBS. Or what about the NYT scandal about plagiarism? Limbaugh is not news and so I would call him a source. If I want the news I get in mainly from Newspapers and still fact check things I read. |
Sources to me are news, or people personally involved with the matter at hand.
I'm leaving work now, but quickly....We didn't specify "news". We were talking about reliable sources in general. And I can use Wikipedia as a source for a definition of a term...I know plenty of conservatives that think the talking heads like Limbaugh are reliable sources of information. Fox News is completely biased....It's not just the shows...Plagiarism has nothing to do with reliability. It's just not giving credit to the source of info... |
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in other words dazes-you can only cite sources that always agree with the liberal point of view. The New York Times is OK-the Wall Street Journal is not. Got it? CBS is reliable, Fox is not. Al Franken is honest, Beck and Hannity are liars. Its really quite simple.
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That's a lot of words you're trying to put in someone else's mouth. Fox IS unreliable. Highly so. This is well known and backed up by an almost unlimited amount of evidence. NYT vs WSJ is really a matter of who's spin you like better. Franken is not a news source, he's a (former) pundit. Beck and Hannity are liars, but that doesn't matter because, like Franken, Olbermann and Maher, you aren't supposed to go to them for news in the first place. The difference is that listeners of the latter three tend to recognize that they are hearing opinionated commentary whereas listeners of the former two along with Limbaugh and Savage take what they hear as irrefutable fact. Thus, the "Republican Hive Mind."
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That's exactly what I was going to say...Thanks, Cy!
SSSS- you're definitely putting a lot of words in my mouth...Adding to what Cy said...you obviously have the same issue as Phony that I call "selective reading"...I did mention MSNBC as one of the sources that is not always reliable and they're extremely liberal. I have conservative friends that quote Fox News headlines, Beck, Hannity, etc and most of the time they're wrong. For example, my cons co-worker said that he read on Fox News' website that AARP was against healthcare reform and that proved the healthcare reform was bad for seniors. I showed him the actual quote from AARP's website where they said that they supported reform but they were not endorsing the bill YET bc they wanted to see what it said once it was finalized. But the headline that Fox went with was something like "Obama lies about AARP's endorsement of healthcare bill". Another example, my co-worker said that he read, again on Fox's site, that Warren Buffett criticized Obama on his approach to fix the economy and the stimulus package. The headline read something like "Warren Buffett blasts Obama on stimulus" or something like that. I saw the actual interview and his criticism was that the first stimulus package wasn't enough and that we may need more. Fox was making it sound like Buffett was against the stimulus package...And these are just two examples that I remember off the top of my head...Don't even get me started on Beck and the rest of the maniacs!!!
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | That's exactly what I was going to say...Thanks, Cy!
SSSS- you're definitely putting a lot of words in my mouth...Adding to what Cy said...you obviously have the same issue as Phony that I call "selective reading"...I did mention MSNBC as one of the sources that is not always reliable and they're extremely liberal. I have conservative friends that quote Fox News headlines, Beck, Hannity, etc and most of the time they're wrong. For example, my cons co-worker said that he read on Fox News' website that AARP was against healthcare reform and that proved the healthcare reform was bad for seniors. I showed him the actual quote from AARP's website where they said that they supported reform but they were not endorsing the bill YET bc they wanted to see what it said once it was finalized. But the headline that Fox went with was something like "Obama lies about AARP's endorsement of healthcare bill". Another example, my co-worker said that he read, again on Fox's site, that Warren Buffett criticized Obama on his approach to fix the economy and the stimulus package. The headline read something like "Warren Buffett blasts Obama on stimulus" or something like that. I saw the actual interview and his criticism was that the first stimulus package wasn't enough and that we may need more. Fox was making it sound like Buffett was against the stimulus package...And these are just two examples that I remember off the top of my head...Don't even get me started on Beck and the rest of the maniacs!!! |
Fox was making it sound like?????Isn't that simply your interpretation of what the actual story was about? Maybe next time listen to the report before you assume what they meant. You had already put you Fox can do no right spin on it. |
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | That's a lot of words you're trying to put in someone else's mouth. Fox IS unreliable. Highly so. This is well known and backed up by an almost unlimited amount of evidence. NYT vs WSJ is really a matter of who's spin you like better. Franken is not a news source, he's a (former) pundit. Beck and Hannity are liars, but that doesn't matter because, like Franken, Olbermann and Maher, you aren't supposed to go to them for news in the first place. The difference is that listeners of the latter three tend to recognize that they are hearing opinionated commentary whereas listeners of the former two along with Limbaugh and Savage take what they hear as irrefutable fact. Thus, the "Republican Hive Mind." |
Fox news isn't as reliable as MSNBC....that great "near bankrupt" libchit media source....
And how about CNN.....the COMMUNIST NEWS NETWORK....???
Those LIBCHIT MEDIA SOURCES can't get out of their way towards the end of the line in numbers of viewers......
NBC is near bankrupt.....and you claim that you get "tingles" up and down your legs watching MSNBC????
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| dazes wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | That's exactly what I was going to say...Thanks, Cy!
SSSS- you're definitely putting a lot of words in my mouth...Adding to what Cy said...you obviously have the same issue as Phony that I call "selective reading"...I did mention MSNBC as one of the sources that is not always reliable and they're extremely liberal. I have conservative friends that quote Fox News headlines, Beck, Hannity, etc and most of the time they're wrong. For example, my cons co-worker said that he read on Fox News' website that AARP was against healthcare reform and that proved the healthcare reform was bad for seniors. I showed him the actual quote from AARP's website where they said that they supported reform but they were not endorsing the bill YET bc they wanted to see what it said once it was finalized. But the headline that Fox went with was something like "Obama lies about AARP's endorsement of healthcare bill". Another example, my co-worker said that he read, again on Fox's site, that Warren Buffett criticized Obama on his approach to fix the economy and the stimulus package. The headline read something like "Warren Buffett blasts Obama on stimulus" or something like that. I saw the actual interview and his criticism was that the first stimulus package wasn't enough and that we may need more. Fox was making it sound like Buffett was against the stimulus package...And these are just two examples that I remember off the top of my head...Don't even get me started on Beck and the rest of the maniacs!!! |
Fox was making it sound like?????Isn't that simply your interpretation of what the actual story was about? Maybe next time listen to the report before you assume what they meant. You had already put you Fox can do no right spin on it. |
I did read the report. Fox News said that Buffett criticized Obama, but they failed to mention that he thought the stimulus package was not big enough...Plus many people, like my co-workers, only read the headlines...So they make the headlines negative and people assume that's what the article is about!!!
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| phonyfeminazi wrote: | Fox news isn't as reliable as MSNBC....that great "near bankrupt" libchit media source....
And how about CNN.....the COMMUNIST NEWS NETWORK....???
Those LIBCHIT MEDIA SOURCES can't get out of their way towards the end of the line in numbers of viewers......
NBC is near bankrupt.....and you claim that you get "tingles" up and down your legs watching MSNBC???? |
I claim no such thing. I don't watch MSNBC. I've told you that before.
CNN is normally pretty good as far as the web site goes. As for the channel, I don't watch that either.
The only TV political news I watch is C-SPAN.
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| phonyfeminazi wrote: | | Cylinsier wrote: | | That's a lot of words you're trying to put in someone else's mouth. Fox IS unreliable. Highly so. This is well known and backed up by an almost unlimited amount of evidence. NYT vs WSJ is really a matter of who's spin you like better. Franken is not a news source, he's a (former) pundit. Beck and Hannity are liars, but that doesn't matter because, like Franken, Olbermann and Maher, you aren't supposed to go to them for news in the first place. The difference is that listeners of the latter three tend to recognize that they are hearing opinionated commentary whereas listeners of the former two along with Limbaugh and Savage take what they hear as irrefutable fact. Thus, the "Republican Hive Mind." |
Fox news isn't as reliable as MSNBC....that great "near bankrupt" libchit media source....
And how about CNN.....the COMMUNIST NEWS NETWORK....???
Those LIBCHIT MEDIA SOURCES can't get out of their way towards the end of the line in numbers of viewers......
NBC is near bankrupt.....and you claim that you get "tingles" up and down your legs watching MSNBC???? |
CNN is on all day at my job...They run tons of ads against healthcare reform and Lou Dobbs has a show on CNN...How are they liberals again?
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | dazes wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | That's exactly what I was going to say...Thanks, Cy!
SSSS- you're definitely putting a lot of words in my mouth...Adding to what Cy said...you obviously have the same issue as Phony that I call "selective reading"...I did mention MSNBC as one of the sources that is not always reliable and they're extremely liberal. I have conservative friends that quote Fox News headlines, Beck, Hannity, etc and most of the time they're wrong. For example, my cons co-worker said that he read on Fox News' website that AARP was against healthcare reform and that proved the healthcare reform was bad for seniors. I showed him the actual quote from AARP's website where they said that they supported reform but they were not endorsing the bill YET bc they wanted to see what it said once it was finalized. But the headline that Fox went with was something like "Obama lies about AARP's endorsement of healthcare bill". Another example, my co-worker said that he read, again on Fox's site, that Warren Buffett criticized Obama on his approach to fix the economy and the stimulus package. The headline read something like "Warren Buffett blasts Obama on stimulus" or something like that. I saw the actual interview and his criticism was that the first stimulus package wasn't enough and that we may need more. Fox was making it sound like Buffett was against the stimulus package...And these are just two examples that I remember off the top of my head...Don't even get me started on Beck and the rest of the maniacs!!! |
Fox was making it sound like?????Isn't that simply your interpretation of what the actual story was about? Maybe next time listen to the report before you assume what they meant. You had already put you Fox can do no right spin on it. |
I did read the report. Fox News said that Buffett criticized Obama, but they failed to mention that he thought the stimulus package was not big enough...Plus many people, like my co-workers, only read the headlines...So they make the headlines negative and people assume that's what the article is about!!! |
Ana, Osam a Hussei n Obama is using that bullchit Keynes "inflate your way to prosperity"......Osama thinks that he's another F.D.R.......he's a one-term wonder who will fail, not because he's stupid, but because the economy has it's locomotive moving, and no one, not even "Messiah" Osama can stop it......
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| phonyfeminazi wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | dazes wrote: | | OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | That's exactly what I was going to say...Thanks, Cy!
SSSS- you're definitely putting a lot of words in my mouth...Adding to what Cy said...you obviously have the same issue as Phony that I call "selective reading"...I did mention MSNBC as one of the sources that is not always reliable and they're extremely liberal. I have conservative friends that quote Fox News headlines, Beck, Hannity, etc and most of the time they're wrong. For example, my cons co-worker said that he read on Fox News' website that AARP was against healthcare reform and that proved the healthcare reform was bad for seniors. I showed him the actual quote from AARP's website where they said that they supported reform but they were not endorsing the bill YET bc they wanted to see what it said once it was finalized. But the headline that Fox went with was something like "Obama lies about AARP's endorsement of healthcare bill". Another example, my co-worker said that he read, again on Fox's site, that Warren Buffett criticized Obama on his approach to fix the economy and the stimulus package. The headline read something like "Warren Buffett blasts Obama on stimulus" or something like that. I saw the actual interview and his criticism was that the first stimulus package wasn't enough and that we may need more. Fox was making it sound like Buffett was against the stimulus package...And these are just two examples that I remember off the top of my head...Don't even get me started on Beck and the rest of the maniacs!!! |
Fox was making it sound like?????Isn't that simply your interpretation of what the actual story was about? Maybe next time listen to the report before you assume what they meant. You had already put you Fox can do no right spin on it. |
I did read the report. Fox News said that Buffett criticized Obama, but they failed to mention that he thought the stimulus package was not big enough...Plus many people, like my co-workers, only read the headlines...So they make the headlines negative and people assume that's what the article is about!!! |
Ana, Osam a Hussei n Obama is using that bullchit Keynes "inflate your way to prosperity"......Osama thinks that he's another F.D.R.......he's a one-term wonder who will fail, not because he's stupid, but because the economy has it's locomotive moving, and no one, not even "Messiah" Osama can stop it...... |
Keep thinking that, Phony!!! It's way too early to be judging Obama. A lot can happen in the next three years! You may be in for a big surprise on 2012!!!! 
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