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Cylinsier
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Revisions...like a flag burning amendment?
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | Revisions...like a flag burning amendment? |
Amendments are exactly that......"AMENDMENTS", and it is necessary to have the vote of how many states in order to pass???
2/3rds of the states???
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Three fourths.
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Uhm... amend = change
Which means that the constitution is NOT a static document.
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OndinitaAKALibchit
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The Constitution should not be subject to change and revision at the whims of ANYONE...The essence and principles of the Constitution should remain intact...But there's a reason why out Forefathers thought of procedures to amend the Constitution...They knew that laws and the role of government do need to change with the times and the needs of the country!!!
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Dang!!!! You guys are so quick to answer!!!! I like it...TEAMWORK!!!
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| Cylinsier wrote: | | Three fourths. |
Thank you, Abomb!....my memory fails me at times...
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| OndinitaAKALibchit wrote: | | Dang!!!! You guys are so quick to answer!!!! I like it...TEAMWORK!!! |
Ana, these libchits show no mercy...they hit me hard, and fast...
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Ana, these libchits show no mercy...they hit me hard, and fast... |
That's what she said
Badum ching!
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| ellipses wrote: | | phonyfeminazi wrote: |
Ana, these libchits show no mercy...they hit me hard, and fast... |
That's what she said
Badum ching! |
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| phonyfeminazi wrote: | | Don't you know what the Constitution says in regard to the duties of the GOVERNMENT......says nothing about taking over the country's corporations.....NOT ONE FREAKING WORD. |
True. But the founding fathers had a far different view & approach to corporations. From Reclaim Democracy:
| Quote: | When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country's founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.
Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end.
The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these:
* Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
* Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
* Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
* Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
* Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
* Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.
For 100 years after the American Revolution, legislators maintained tight controll of the corporate chartering process. Because of widespread public opposition, early legislators granted very few corporate charters, and only after debate. Citizens governed corporations by detailing operating conditions not just in charters but also in state constitutions and state laws. Incorporated businesses were prohibited from taking any action that legislators did not specifically allow.
States also limited corporate charters to a set number of years. Unless a legislature renewed an expiring charter, the corporation was dissolved and its assets were divided among shareholders. Citizen authority clauses limited capitalization, debts, land holdings, and sometimes, even profits. They required a company's accounting books to be turned over to a legislature upon request. The power of large shareholders was limited by scaled voting, so that large and small investors had equal voting rights. Interlocking directorates were outlawed. Shareholders had the right to remove directors at will. |
More info on the topic of corporations in American history can be found at Reclaim Democracy's website, which includes tons of sourced articles. Also at poclad.org
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OndinitaAKALibchit
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| Amphikalein wrote: | | phonyfeminazi wrote: | | Don't you know what the Constitution says in regard to the duties of the GOVERNMENT......says nothing about taking over the country's corporations.....NOT ONE FREAKING WORD. |
True. But the founding fathers had a far different view & approach to corporations. From Reclaim Democracy:
| Quote: | When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country's founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society.
Initially, the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public, such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end.
The states also imposed conditions (some of which remain on the books, though unused) like these:
* Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
* Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
* Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
* Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
* Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
* Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.
For 100 years after the American Revolution, legislators maintained tight controll of the corporate chartering process. Because of widespread public opposition, early legislators granted very few corporate charters, and only after debate. Citizens governed corporations by detailing operating conditions not just in charters but also in state constitutions and state laws. Incorporated businesses were prohibited from taking any action that legislators did not specifically allow.
States also limited corporate charters to a set number of years. Unless a legislature renewed an expiring charter, the corporation was dissolved and its assets were divided among shareholders. Citizen authority clauses limited capitalization, debts, land holdings, and sometimes, even profits. They required a company's accounting books to be turned over to a legislature upon request. The power of large shareholders was limited by scaled voting, so that large and small investors had equal voting rights. Interlocking directorates were outlawed. Shareholders had the right to remove directors at will. |
More info on the topic of corporations in American history can be found at Reclaim Democracy's website, which includes tons of sourced articles. Also at poclad.org |
People stating facts and quoting reliable sources...I think I'm gonna like it here!!! 
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Be careful... between this and, well... the rest of the internet... sometimes I lose track of time 
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dazes
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| Ondi What do you consider to be reliable sources for facts? |
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OndinitaAKALibchit
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| dazes wrote: | | Ondi What do you consider to be reliable sources for facts? |
That's a very broad question...Let's start with what sources are NOT reliable...Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, sometimes MSNBC....
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