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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cy-I do not care if the US is ranked 57-I am happy with MY health care. GET IT? Why does everything have to be a battle with you? Is your life that miserable?


Why do you always counter my arguments by trying to make it personal? Maybe you need to take a step back and take a deep breath.

I don't care if YOU are happy with your care because YOU are not the majority of Americans.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is you that makes it personal with your arrogance. Everyone on here that disagrees with you is talked down to and belittled. It is not I that needs to step back.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't know what you're talking about at this point. I'm sorry that you think I'm making you so emotional, but when someone tries to make wild politically biased claims like those often mounted against health care reform, I will defend my position strongly. If that comes across as arrogant to you then that suggests to me a reaction of frustration because you cannot adequately support your own position as well as I support mine.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Cy is he right lately your defending is coming across as arrogant not defending your position. You can't be an expert on everything, and yet you would be surprised at how many times you try to come across as an expert. You are a good guy but you belittle almost everyone elses feeling about an issue. When we do provide sources that prove our point you ridicule the source or totally ingnore it and the thread dies. Very few times do you say I get what you mean but I think otherwise.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You folks provide sources? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Sorry, couldn't resist. Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No Cy is he right lately your defending is coming across as arrogant not defending your position. You can't be an expert on everything, and yet you would be surprised at how many times you try to come across as an expert. You are a good guy but you belittle almost everyone elses feeling about an issue. When we do provide sources that prove our point you ridicule the source or totally ingnore it and the thread dies. Very few times do you say I get what you mean but I think otherwise.


Very few times do I agree with you. The point of discussion of topics is not to agree to disagree from the outset, its to argue one's point. And most of your sources are biased. Not my opinion either, but the well supported opinions of many. Again, if you support your own argument weakly, then yes, being constantly overpowered by counterargument is going to look like arrogance or belittlement. Its not my fault that I think you are wrong and I provide multiple sources to back up my opinion and you do not. I sincerely feel like you (and by you, I mean the conservative posters) either start or respond to topics with very strong opinions that they support with pointed words. When confronted by source-supported arguments, you tend to fall back on your laurels and try to play the victim card rather then responding with additional sources to support your own argument. Rather than whine about how arrogant I am, why not prove me wrong? Or is it easier to just claim that I will think I'm right no matter what and pretend that your argument isn't paper thin?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No-you are arrogant. There are none so blind as those who will not see. We tried.
Let me ask one question. Why are all of our sources biased and all of yours are completely objective?
Oh wait-I know this one-any that you disagree with are biased or just plain stupid!
You give yourself too much credit Cy-it would take a lot more than your words to make me emotional. The only thing I have gotten empotional about on here was the Iraq war.
And, other than the Canada issue, when do I ever argue against health care reform? I have said every time-if we have TORT reform the cost of health care would come down. And just for the hell of it the "source" of that opinion is me.

And no one has Ever PROVEN you WRONG on anything so I cannot believe you made that statement
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No-you are arrogant. There are none so blind as those who will not see. We tried.
Let me ask one question. Why are all of our sources biased and all of yours are completely objective?
Oh wait-I know this one-any that you disagree with are biased or just plain stupid!
You give yourself too much credit Cy-it would take a lot more than your words to make me emotional. The only thing I have gotten empotional about on here was the Iraq war.
And, other than the Canada issue, when do I ever argue against health care reform? I have said every time-if we have TORT reform the cost of health care would come down. And just for the hell of it the "source" of that opinion is me.


Whatever. I post on here for the enjoyment of debate, not to discuss how easy it is to hurt your feelings. If you want to believe I'm arrogant, be my guest. If you want to know why your sources are biased, refer to the evidence of bias I post whenever I refute one of your sources. If you want to know why my sources are not biased, look into it yourself. This is how you debate your side of the argument. My opinion on tort reform is that its a band-aid on a bullet wound.

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And no one has Ever PROVEN you WRONG on anything


Through nothing else but a lack of trying. I provide my opinion, you (again, the general you) cry about my arrogance and how I will always believe I'm right without putting the slightest bit of effort into a rebuttal. It is simply the absence of any kind of effort on your part (general your) to support an argument, which suggest either a lack of patience or a lack of respect for the rest of us, which is masquerading as me being arrogant in your mind.

I believe we were most recently on the topic of health care reform in this thread, specifically national rankings on which the US ranks 37 (WHO). Outside of the very personal, "well I'm happy so everyone else can go to hell" argument, do we have anyone from the anti-reform side willing to cast a legitimate argument as to why its not a problem for us to be 37th?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amph-with due respect-you have every right to demand a source for everything, but when I state my opinion it is just that-MY opinion. I am a free thinker and do not parrot (nor listen to)talking heads or columnists to form my opinions. I cannot find any "source" for my opinions-they are not published or independently researched. They are my thoughts alone.
If I state something to be fact it is usually because I know it to be true. If I offer an opinion, please accept it as that.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cy-one last time-trying to offer you rebuttal is usually a huge waste of time. You scoff at it with your tightly closed mind without ever considering what thought might have gone into it. It is wrong simply because it is not you saying it. Or whomever is pulling your strings.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Amph-with due respect-you have every right to demand a source for everything, but when I state my opinion it is just that-MY opinion. I am a free thinker and do not parrot (nor listen to)talking heads or columnists to form my opinions. I cannot find any "source" for my opinions-they are not published or independently researched. They are my thoughts alone.
If I state something to be fact it is usually because I know it to be true. If I offer an opinion, please accept it as that.
i don't demand a source for everything. And of course you're entitled to express your opinion, as is everyone. But when i research something to see if what i remember is correct, and you (or anyone else) asserts a contradictory claim, what's the problem with providing a source? If i'm proven wrong i don't have a problem with that.

i noted earlier that the Clinton Administration exited office leaving GWB a budget surplus. You disagreed. Was that your opinion? Or was it fact?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dazes wrote:
No Cy is he right lately your defending is coming across as arrogant not defending your position. You can't be an expert on everything, and yet you would be surprised at how many times you try to come across as an expert. You are a good guy but you belittle almost everyone elses feeling about an issue. When we do provide sources that prove our point you ridicule the source or totally ingnore it and the thread dies. Very few times do you say I get what you mean but I think otherwise.



Cy, keeps this board honest and factual, just ask him if you don't believe me.

Where is E and the other few who add to insuring we have some "color" on this board, getting sick of this chit already, and by color, not referring to that "color" phony is obsessed with?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cy-one last time-trying to offer you rebuttal is usually a huge waste of time. You scoff at it with your tightly closed mind without ever considering what thought might have gone into it. It is wrong simply because it is not you saying it. Or whomever is pulling your strings.


See, I could say the exact same thing about you. When has anything I've ever said, no matter how obviously true it was, caused you to admit you were wrong about something? I guess you're just as arrogant as I am.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I really want to play but I have mountains of work to accomplish...

I agree with Cy's position both on the health care issue and on the argument issue. The US is 37th in the world. I can't imagine a scenario where that is a good thing. The fact that some people are perfectly happy with their insurance and the care they receive means nothing.

I have a job and I am perfectly happy with my job, therefore, we don't have a problem with unemployment.

See? It doesn't work in that arena any more than it works in the health care arena. Other countries have quantifiably better health care than we do and it costs considerably less than what we pay.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cy-do some research here-I have admitted I was wrong several times on here. But also notice that, unlike you, if I know nothing about a subject I just don't comment at all.

Amph-your point is well taken. And the post about the phony surplus was based on news articles I read at the time by economists saying the surplus did not exist. No I do not have links-that was eight-nine years ago. But I pose this question to ponder. If I have a 500 dollar surplus in my written budget, but I owe 5000 in credit card debt, do I really have a surplus????
Also whatever extra money was eaten up by the aftermath of 911, but I guess that is just an "inconvienient truth"
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